Re: Switching to RDI from SEU

["Tom Huff" <tehuff@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Why should that be any different? They have screwed up the
Sys38,AS400,Iseries,etc for 29 years....


Tom

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From: wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Aaron Bartell
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 9:59 AM
To: Websphere Development Studio Client for iSeries
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Switching to RDI from SEU

Could you shed any light on the $$ numbers we are talking for small 
server config?  And by "toolset" do you mean the compilers + RDi + RDi-SOA?

I can't keep up with how IBM prices things.  Another reason why 
RPGNextGen.com is becoming more and more appealing.  I can only imagine 
how frustrating it must be for the IBM RDi developers having a great 
tool and then having their marketing screw it up - just sad.

Aaron Bartell
http://mowyourlawn.com

Trevor Perry wrote:
> Aaron,
>
> There is still one (small) thing that will ensure that the tools sell.
They
> are still bundled with the hardware for sale. For new boxes and upgrades,
> the price of the tools is part of the entire sale.
>
> That being said, I had a server configured recently and the person doing
it
> missed the numbers - I got back a small server and the software was 8
times
> the cost of the hardware - yes, 8 times. That was mostly the toolset.
>
> Normally, though, the toolset is about 90% of the cost of the server
> hardware for a small server config (which is higher than ever). I have
> recently done several, and can not explain the pricing in the
configurator.
> I even asked a prominent (Rational) IBMer to help explain, and that lead
to
> a dead-end. If I were to decide if Rational were in business to make money
> OR to support their customers for modern toolsets, I would have to choose
> the former. Which, ironically, the latter will cause the former not to be
> met.. The recent price 'cuts' that are included in 'bundles', while they
> have helped a little, really have not come close to the suggestions of the
> community.
>
> Then again, if you order a new Power6 520 server, you ~must~ order the ECS
> modem. Maybe that is how you download upgrades to the toolset? If you
price
> software high, the customer should expect them to take a long time to
> download? :-)
>
> Trevor
>
>
>
> On 1/9/09 9:34 AM, "Aaron Bartell" <aaronbartell@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>   
> > I think adoption will slow considerably given the fact that there is no
> > low cost entry into the "new WDSC" (i.e. RDi).  I still firmly believe
> > IBM is shooting themselves in the foot by approaching it the way they
> > did without even giving a single-seat-no-charge copy of RDi with every
> > compiler purchase.  Get it into every shop so it becomes the house-hold
> > name for doing RPG development, and then when the shop needs more than
> > one license they get to get out their checkbook (but at this point they
> > full recognize the ROI).
> >
> > A 90-day trial will work well enough for existing WDSC users to
> > determine if they want to pay for RDi, but I hardly believe it is enough
> > time for an average SEU RPG programmer to make the switch from scratch.
> >
> > It becomes an up-hill battle to educate people on such an excellent tool
> > (which I believe it to be the best out there) when the only real way
> > they can experience it is to get out their empty checkbook.  In the past
> > I have done quite a few articles, sessions, newsletters, etc, promoting
> > WDSC because it was simply a matter of getting through the politics and
> > installing it on machines.  How do authors/writers promote it now that
> > it costs so much?  I really wish IBM would have taken the MyEclipseIDE
> > approach of charging maybe $50/year/user and then have all support done
> > through an online forum and let the community resolve most of the issues
> > instead of having to open up a PMR.  Heck, the IBM'ers on this list are
> > already doing that to some extent (which I think is absolutely wonderful
> > btw).
> >
> > Those are my thoughts for a Friday :-)
> >
> > Aaron Bartell
> > http://mowyourlawn.com
> >
> > Trevor Perry wrote:
> >     
> > > David,
> > >
> > > Sorry - I finally realized you said 95% of THE shop.
> > >
> > > I am finding more and more shops are getting over their problems with
the
> > > older versions of WDSC, and are adopting it fresh. If you treat it like
it
> > > IS new, you may be able to convert everyone over!
> > >
> > > Good luck,
> > > Trevor
> > >
> > >
> > > On 1/9/09 8:57 AM, "Trevor Perry" <trevor@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > >   
> > >       
>
>
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