Re: XML, RPG, Web Services, Joe = Holy War was ->RE: [WEB400] Re : Modify the IE Browser

["Brad Stone" <brad@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 16:23:32 -0700 
 "Eyers, Daniel" <daniel.eyers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I'm going to regret this..... (feeling trolled)
> Ok, how does IBM make $$$$ from me writing Java?  Seems
> like RPG-CGI is *more* of a rip-off.  Does RPG-CGI run
> *outside*
> the 400?  Seems like if I learn RPG-CGI and nothing else,
> I'm forever locked into iSeries.  Doesn't IBM benefit
> *more*
> from RPG-CGI than Java?

Easy.  Websphere (yes, i'm sure you use tomcat... ha..),
 more hardware to run the Java and/or Websphere.  A LOT
more

And, don't forget those nice little jars that software
companies are selling now so you can connect to other DBs
  

I wouldn't call something (ie RPG) that is free a "ripoff"
just because you can't move it off an OS that will never go
away (especially with IT groups that take the word of IBM
as that of the messiah).  

Also, I highly doubt people writing java are writing
portable java.  Just because it's java, doesn't make it
portable.  But, again, I'm sure you write 100% portable
Java.  ;)

As far as IBM no longer supporting Classic HTTP SErver,
yes, I already stated that was probably the only reason.
 But why they no longer support it... that's an eternal
mystery.  Make me do 50 times more work to do the same
thing.  Make it based on a highly used open source
application that has more security loopholes.

Oh ya, Apache is cool and "the most used."  Guess we should
all sell our SUVs and by Ford Taurus' (or is it the Camry
now that is the most sold car?)

> Java as hyped technology?  Someone should tell Microsoft.

Heard it all before...  If people take so much clout in M$
and are worried about IBM dropping the AS/400, get yourself
a server farm and Windows and combine 75 Domains into
three.. err.. save millions of dollars... (I love that
commercial.. think that's beer in the blue cups?)

> FWIW... There is an elegance of columnar RPG.  With it's
> fixed column format and limited instruction set, you can
> really
> fly when you are coding.  RPG is a wonderful thing (for
> it's niche) but to use it for web apps is (IMHO) like
> putting
> lipstick on a pig; it doesn't really help much and just
> pisses off the pig.

Your cute metaphore still doesn't tell me why RPG is no
good for the web.  And there is free form RPG now.  100
cute metaphores still won't equal 1 good reason.  :)

Until next time...  I'll still be waiting my friend.