RE: RE: CGIDEV2 -- WEB400

>>It will cost IBM nothing...
IBM doesn't care about things costing nothing. They only care about things
that bring in revenue, directly, not indirectly. 

-Bob Cozzi
www.RPGxTools.com
If everything is under control, you are going too slow.
- Mario Andretti


-----Original Message-----
From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Jim Franz
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 8:53 PM
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: [WEB400] RE: CGIDEV2

> Jeeze... what's the big deal.

Jeeze Bob .....
With thousands of sites running CGIDEV2, and business partners having
written packages to sell (and further promote the iSeries), I would take
this as a very illogical move by IBM. An offer has been made to keep the
software going on, at no cost to IBM, and keeping current customers
and partners who invested in this technology happy. And happy customers
buy upgrades and new servers, and happy partners bring in more business
to IBM. Rochester has fairly clearly stated that it is not just a Websphere
platform,
with tools like Websmart (a tool that gens rpgle cgi) in the Tools Network
and the Roadmap. There's also your tool, Joe's tools, Brad's tools, and many
other vendor offerings. What sense is there in pulling the rug on even a
small
segment of your current (declining) customer base. It will cost IBM
"nothing" to keep
this going.
If I were the non-technical CEO of a company, and my IT manager tells me IBM
just did this, with no warning (we had like 5 years of warning for
Officevision...),
I would always remember this when presented with any IBM proposal...
jim franz



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Cozzi" <cozzi@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "'Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries'" <web400@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 5:43 PM
Subject: RE: [WEB400] RE: CGIDEV2


> Jeeze... what's the big deal.
> They do this kind of thing every few years or so.
> Previously there were no alternatives, but today there is at least one
good
> one and probably other options as well.
> And at the risk of sounding like so many people who have justified CGIDEV2
> by saying "You have the source code", dare I say "you have the source
code".
>
> I guess I don't see the issue. We, who knew of it, got to use it for a
> while. Many of us have now moved on to other tools. Those who have not, I
> would render a guess that their code still works today as it did
yesterday.
> There is really no compelling reason to continue to use a no-charge
product
> that is not supported. Its purpose is primarily for examples and to show
how
> things can be accomplished with, in this case, RPG IV. Okay, so learn from
> it and move on.
> These worries sound like someone who lives by a drive-in theater and is
now
> complaining that the theater owner is planting trees to block your view of
> the movies. It was free for a while, but sooner or later it won't be. That
> is how IBM stays in business.
>
> -Bob Cozzi
> www.RPGxTools.com
> If everything is under control, you are going too slow.
> - Mario Andretti