RE: RE: CGIDEV2 -- WEB400

No argument that there are gems and power in websphere. But there arepeople who don't prefer it. Now, I may be wrong here, but what I'mseeing is a curtailing of options for the end user/client. What am Imissing here?


Don in DC

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, albartell wrote:

>Only reason I can think of is that IBM continues to want to force feed
websphere on everyone...and frankly, there are folks that will eagerly punt
the platform if that's their only alternative.

There are gems in the websphere family of products, one just needs to know
which ones to use and which ones to toss. The development environment (WRAD)
is incredible and can greatly increase productivity once you know how to use
it. On the other hand I have yet to have a good experience with their WAS so
I stick with Tomcat.

Aaron Bartell

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From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Don
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:57 PM
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: RE: [WEB400] RE: CGIDEV2



I would hope not.  But frankly, I just don't see any reason for them not to
cut the same kinda deal that they cut with Sloan.

This sounds like a SOUNDOFF item in Orlando...  Folks, time to queue up at
the mic and soundoff.

Only reason I can think of is that IBM continues to want to force feed
websphere on everyone...and frankly, there are folks that will eagerly punt
the platform if that's their only alternative.

Don in DC

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On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, Bob Cozzi wrote:

I know that Mel works for Jim and has for months.
Could that be what's going on?

-Bob Cozzi
www.RPGxTools.com
If everything is under control, you are going too slow.
- Mario Andretti


-----Original Message-----
From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 9:36 PM
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: [WEB400] RE: CGIDEV2



OK, this may have been asked before, but what's the difference between
CGIDEV2 and the Tools that Jim Sloan now sells?

I'm at a loss to see what the differences are here....

Don in DC

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On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, Bryan Dietz wrote:

Here it the text of an email that expect most will recieve.  Maybe it
will help the article.

<email>
Easy400 CGIDEV2 - Your action is required

Dear (name),
if you, as as subscriber of the IBM Easy400 site www-922.ibm.com ever
used CGIDEV2, you know for sure that this free software is the best
gem ever distributed by IBM to encourage RPG programmers in
developing iSeries WEB sites at no learning cost and with minimum

hardware requirements.


CGIDEV was developed by Mel Rothman in 1996, enhanced by him to
CGIDEV2 in
1999 when he was working for the IBM Custom Technology Center in IBM
Rochester, MN.
I discovered CGIDEV in 1997, rated it as a pure diamond, and
established

an

IBM site, named Easy400, intended to inform the public about the
value of the tool, through demonstrations, tutorials, and examples.

Once CGIDEV2 was available, I convinced IBM Rochester CTC management
to

let

me distribute it at no charge through my site.
Mel Rothman, though he retired a couple of years ago, continued to
provide support, fiexes and enhancements, which I cared to be made
available through the IBM Easy400 site.
The success of this piece of software, CGIDEV2, has been extremely high.
More than 30 articles, most in english language and in italian have
been published in the last five years. Some were stressing its
easy-of-use and performance, other were providing fine professional

guides.


As to the number of iSeries WEB sites implemented through CGIDEV2, I
have no precise figure, though my educated guess - considering that
the site

has

currently exceeded 17 thousand subscribers from 126 countries, that a
number of developers have provided fine testimonials, and occasional
news have reached me by e-mail - is that at least 3 thousand iSeries
(AS/400) WEB sites have ben established through CGIDEV2.

Let us now come to the sad part of the story.
One month ago it was my turn to retire.

Knowing that IBM would not let me any longer maintain the IBM Easy400

site,

I have established my own new Easy400 site www.easy400.net where I
plan to provide futher software deliverables at no charge.

I did then ask the owner of CGIDEV2, the IBM CTC Rochester, to let me
redistribute CGIDEV2 from my site, in order to provide future
maintenance and enhancements. After consulting with the IBM lawyer,
the answer was negative, the rationale being that IBM would not give
away its code, even when - as the case is - no IBM resources have
been made available for supporting it any further.

I believe that such position is totally irrespective of the iSeries
and AS/400 customers needs all over the world. I know a large number
of

parties

that develop WEB applications for small customer who cannot afford
the

huge

hardware requirements needed to run WebSphere with a reasonable
response time. These parties would have rather migrated to Microsoft,
but their decisions were stopped by CGIDEV2 availability and support.

So what?

If you are an active CGIDEV2 developer, the time has come for you to
stand up and tell IBM that CGIDEV2 deserves better attention than
paid from IBM so far and must become Open Source. In this way Mel
Rothman may continue ehnacing the code and have it distributed
through my new non-IBM Easy400 site.
What should you do.

Write a short letter telling the advantages CGIDEV2 has given to you,
and asking for its classification as Open Source.

Address it to the IBM World Wide iSeries Marketing Vicepresident
Peter Bingaman, bingaman@xxxxxxxxxx Copy it to the Manager of the IBM
Rochester CTC Center, Richard Ross, rbross@xxxxxxxxxx Do not forget
to add a blank copy for me, Giovanni B. Perotti,
gb_perotti@xxxxxxxxxxx

If a few hundred letters hit the target in the next two days, IBM
will

have

material for reconsidering its position.

Dear (name), your active contribution for defending the iSeries
community is required NOW!
Thanks indeed,
Giovanni B. Perotti,
the man who made CGIDEV2 run around the word gb_perotti@xxxxxxxxxxx

</email>
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Bryan Dietz

Aktion Associates

web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 07/19/2005 04:56:53 PM:

If you add the comments from IBM that Giovanni has published on the

Easy400

list at Yahoo I don't think you'll see many signs of IBM wanting to

enhance

the product.


I joined the Easy400 group on Yahoo, and went through and read the
messages. It sounds like it's important that we get the word out to
people!

As such, I've contacted some people from the iSeries Network to see
if they're interested in doing a news story on this.
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