Re: Genexus development - opinions?

["Mike Cunningham" <MCUNNING@xxxxxxx>]

I don't know if 4GLs ever went away, Lansa and Synon (I think this was
the name) and ProGen have been doing this for a long time. The one
difference I see with this package is the ability to generate native
code for multiple hardware/OS environments from a single base code set.
I think every other one I have seen were single OS based. I see this as
much the same as Java (or at least what Java was envisioned to be), a
single set of code that would run on any OS. GeneXus does it at compile
time, Java does it at run time.

> > > brad@xxxxxxxxxxxx 6/10/2006 10:41 AM >>>
I was going to say the same thing, about how it's a higher
level language like RPG/etc gets generated into machine
code.  So it is an interesting concept.

But the question then arises, why not just have GeneXus go
to machine code instead of an intermediate language?
Wouldn't it be easier for the developers to do that
instead of having to try and generate JAva, C, or any other
language from their one language?  (I'm sure there's more
to it than that, though).

Maybe it's an attempt to bring 4GL back, or introduce 5GL..
:)

On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:58:38 -0500
"albartell" <albartell@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Those are all of the same thoughts I am having.  GeneXus
> states that you
> don't ever go back to the generated code but instead make
> all of your
> changes in the proprietary language.
>
> I guess I would relate it to RPG code being generated
> into machine code -
> GeneXus is just doing the next generation of that mindset
> and making
> programming "easier". This had made me think what
> programming will be like
> in 2020. Will we all be using tools like GeneXus?  Just
> think how much
> better businesses could thrive if they didn't need to
> spend as much on IT
> programming as they do.  I guess I am just frustrated
> with Java (i.e.
> Tapestry/Hibernate/Spring/Hivemind to be specific) this
> week and am dreaming
> of better days :-)
>
> The jury is still out concerning how well it works when
> the rubber hits the
> road. That is why I am hoping I can get somebody with
> real world experience
> willing to share the good times and bad.
>
> Aaron Bartell
> http://mowyourlawn.com/blog
>  
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Brad Stone
> Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 5:13 PM
> To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
> Subject: Re: [WEB400] Genexus development - opinions?
>
> So, let me get this straight.
>
> This is an application that you write code in a
> proprietary language so it
> will spit out code in your language of choice.  Write
> code that generates
> code.
>
> The basis behind it being what?  Learn just the one
> proprietary langauge and
> you can program in any language? 
>
> Yes, interesting concept.  10 bucks says it generates
> horrible code (or do
> we care?)
>
> Coding, sure, it may be fine.  "Programming" on the other
> hand... I don't
> see it happening.
>
> Brad
>
> On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:51:11 -0500
>  "albartell" <albartell@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > When my schedule clears up I am going to look into this
> new 
> > development platform I learned about at COMMON Mnpls
> 2006 called 
> > GeneXus.  I have seen a demo and was impressed with the
> ease of 
> > creating a simple app.  The basic concept is that you
> develop in their 
> > proprietary syntax and then generate code for any
> number of languages 
> > from that proprietary syntax. In concept this is very
> cool because 
> > they take the "pain" out of application development by
> abstracting the 
> > stuff that takes forever to do (ie putting the
> framework pieces 
> > together) and instead the developer is only concerned
> about pumping 
> > out the next business logic app.  Almost like the
> difference between 
> > Java and RPG :-)
> >  
> > Ok, so here is what I am wondering.  Has anyone else on
> this list used 
> > the product and how do you like it?
> >  
> > TIA,
> > Aaron Bartell
> > http://mowyourlawn.com/blog
> >  <mailto:aaron@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >  
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