Re: Thinking out loud about a new RPG web framework

[john e <jacobus1968@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

> Another example is the discussion currently going on about triggers vs. 
> I/O modules.  I hate triggers, but while I have technical reasons, some 
> of it is also personal bias.

Another one Joe.... I don't hate triggers but they are misused very often.
It's so easy to add a trigger to fix something, but it makes it all very hard
to maintain. And with many triggers it's very difficult to know whats going on.
IMO you never use triggers to implement some business functionality. They
are useful for more orthogonal functionality, alongside business functionality.
For example logging who changes what record is a good example.

Another example of quick and dirty which adds more dependencies.  And thats
why we like to reduce the number of dependencies in software. Thats why
OO is so powerful, you encapsulate all dependencies between some data
and the associated logic within one module... oh oh... here we go again...

> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 10:07:33 -0500
> From: joepluta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: web400@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [WEB400] Thinking out loud about a new RPG web framework
>
> john e wrote:
> > > This is the type of thing that happens all the time, and it's the reason
> > > why business applications need stateful connections. The idea that all
> > > things must be stateless is just another myth that needs to go away.
> >
> > Hey, i agree with you on *this* one Joe :))
> >
> > There is a place for everything.... It seems that IT folks often have some
> > kind of "tunnel" vision, where one technique or solution is good for all.
> > Especially if it's new and cool.
> Hee hee hee! See, we can always find SOME common ground! And to be
> honest, it's good to have differing viewpoints, because our own personal
> experiences may each fit someone reading. Yours may be more applicable
> to one person and mine to another, so by seeing both, they can better
> decide.
>
> It's only when we start pointing fingers and getting sarcastic that
> everybody loses. I fell into that trap a couple of weeks ago because of
> my intense dislike for RPG-CGI. Even though I have what I consider to
> be very good reasons to not like it, I can't say that my opinion is
> better than the opinion of someone who does like it. I can present my
> differing viewpoint, but I have to then let it go .
>
> Another example is the discussion currently going on about triggers vs.
> I/O modules. I hate triggers, but while I have technical reasons, some
> of it is also personal bias. And so I have to try hard to simply
> outline my position and not get into a personality clash with someone
> just because they disagree with me.
>
> Even if they're completely wrong.
>
> Ah, the letting go part can be VERY hard... 
>
> Joe
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