Re: Getting started with Net.data - was -I'dbetterdomorethan talk -- WEB400

Aaron Bartell Wrote:

That dynamic is the fact that programmers are more and more deciding which

platform the >>business will be running on based on development tools.

Aaron

To me it seems like the CEO/MDs are deciding (not the developers). This
means (in some cases) goodbye to the iSeries (their opinion not mine).
Having conflict about the technology that should be run does not really help
the case much either (IMHO), it simply makes them (the businesses)
technology agnostic (and go for the business solution). After that it is not
in the hands of the developers as today's IT world is fast moving (and it is
moving).

Maurice O'Prey

----Original Message-----
From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Aaron Bartell
Sent: 18 August 2008 13:41
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: [WEB400] Getting started with Net.data - was
-I'dbetterdomorethan talk

Remember, it is the solutions that sell hardware, not necessarily the

tools.

What is selling .NET then? How is RoR getting into the market? I disagree
with you near completely on this point. I would agree that *some* decisions
are made just because xyz software only runs on Windows, but for the most
part there is a very interesting dynamic happening in the past 5 years.
That dynamic is the fact that programmers are more and more deciding which
platform the business will be running on based on development tools. The
proof in the pudding for me is .NET (the leader) and other technologies like
RoR, etc. Developers are choosing these tools because there is an initial
phase where you are incredibly productive and all other thoughts of
long-term-viability are thrown out the window.

My prediction: In about 10 years we will have such an incredible mess of
technologies/languages/databases that there will be dire need for an XML
like savior to come in and make everyone talk on the same level. There will
most likely be languages translators that aim to bring everything to a
common language so IT depts can focus on one syntax to gain a competitive
advantage and ease of development/deployment. In the end it comes down to
sticking with your existing investment and building on that. The only
reason to move is if most all avenues have been tried and in my experience
that is hardly ever the case.

Aaron Bartell
http://mowyourlawn.com

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 7:06 AM, Mike Pavlak <Mike.Pavlak@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

There may be such a story, but I have not seen it yet. Right now, we see
folks who are in the IBMi camp coming to PHP. About the closest we
would come would be a customer that purchased HarrisData because they
wanted to stay on the i5 and they liked the fact that the front end is
getting moved from Net.Data to PHP. For HarrisData, it is beginning
with their customer zone and will move on from there:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20080812/bs_prweb/prweb1201344_3;_ylt=AoC6
XhbU68Dn1.N8PZDvlqS8r70F;_ylu=X3oDMTA4Nm4ycjRuBHNlYwNuZXdz

We are revamping the Zend website with new case studies that should be
up soon. Will keep an eye out. Remember, it is the solutions that sell
hardware, not necessarily the tools. All those AS/400's in the 80's &
90's went out the door with SSA BPCS and JD Edwards World, etc. on them.
As we see more ERP opportunities in the IBMi space written in PHP or
with PHP front ends that is when I expect to start selling hardware.
For now, we are simply one damn good reason not to jump off! Momentum
is certainly building...

Regards,

Mike

Also, check out the i5 content at ZendCon 2008 - Our annual PHP
ConferenceSeptember 15-18:
www.zendcon.com

-----Original Message-----
From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Aaron Bartell
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:47 AM
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: [WEB400] Getting started with Net.data - was
-I'dbetterdomorethan talk

Does Zend have any public PHP "success stories" of PHP on the IBMi? I
know
lots on this forum have had success, but they were already on the IBMi.
I
am looking for a story where somebody actually made the move and
provided
reasons for WHY they chose the more expensive IBMi over other servers.

It would be great to see IBMSystemsMag.com do such a story!

Aaron Bartell
http://mowyourlawn.com

On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Mike Pavlak <Mike.Pavlak@xxxxxxxx>
wrote:

In my experience, All the PHP developers I have met that have been

asked

to work on and IBMi have little trouble moving to the IBMi. Many
actually enjoy it :-) There is a sect in the PHP community longing to
support PHP in an enterprise environment.

I think the IBMi is easier to learn and understand than the dark art

of

Linux. IMHO...

And yes, the i5-toolkit in Zend Core is pretty easy to use, but not
necessary for straight SQL calls to the DB.

Regards,

Mike

Also, check out the i5 content at ZendCon 2008 - Our annual PHP
ConferenceSeptember 15-18:
www.zendcon.com

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