Re: Modernization?

["Kelly Cookson" <KCookson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

The American Heritage Dictionary defines the word futuristic as:
"Characterized by, or expressing a vision of, the future. Being ahead of
the times. Innovative or revolutionary."

The same dictionary defines the word modern as: "Characteristic or
expressive of recent times or the present; contemporary or up-to-date."

It seems to me that OODMBS and the NoSQL movement are more futuristic
than modern. And it seems to me that RDBMS are still modern.

A system does not have to be futuristic to be modern. 


My 2 cents...
Kelly


-----Original Message-----
From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Dean, Robert
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 6:14 PM
To: 'Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries'
Subject: Re: [WEB400] Modernization?

I don't think OODBMS is the next big revolution.  With the rise of
virtualization and clustering has come a set of database technologies
that fall under an umbrella called "NoSQL":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/nosql

Many of these are derived from concepts originating in Google's work
with BigTable, although there are some much older technologies (IMS)
included.  It just goes to show the cyclical nature of technology.

-----Original Message-----
From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Maurice O'Prey
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 5:08 AM
To: 'Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries'
Subject: Re: [WEB400] Modernization?

Vern Wrote

> Sounds like you have a product - if so, please say so. Your comments 
> come across very skewed.

No product, I just have a very basic Prototype OODBMS put together some
years ago. I have no criticism of the databases mentioned, all I would
say
is that RDBMS has been around for quite a considerable time and with the
expansion of OO programming languages then it would appear natural that
an
OODBMS would come along next (maybe we are ready for it now?). Possibly
this
then could be referred to as a "Modern" approach to the database and one
that works more akin to the human brain (I don't think mine stores
tables..., but who knows ;-)

Certainly there is room for both RDMS and OODBMS and its not one versus
the
other. It is a topic that I am very interested in, more at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object_database#

Hope this clarifies my comment a little bit and I do apologise if it was
skewed.

Maurice


-----Original Message-----
From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
Behalf Of Vern Hamberg
Sent: 15 November 2009 02:16
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: [WEB400] Modernization?

Sounds like you have a product - if so, please say so. Your comments 
come across very skewed.

Hope that is not true!!
Vern

Maurice O'Prey wrote:
> Mike
>
> It would take some discussion for me to put forward my ill founded
thoughts
> on what a modern database should be. But if someone tells me that a
20th
> century database (based on the thoughts of Dr. Edgar Frank Codd "Ted")
is
> modern then I have to question it? It was a good idea in the day and
now
our
> systems are built over it (not just DB2 but also SQL Server, MySQL,
Oracle
> etc). It is far too large a subject to discuss on this list (and I'm
likely
> to be burned at the stake....) but personally I believe the next big
> revolution will involve the database (we've had improvements
everywhere
> else).
>
> Cellular and fast, I have a prototype ;-)
>
> Regards
>
> Maurice
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
> Behalf Of Mike Pavlak
> Sent: 13 November 2009 16:17
> To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
> Subject: Re: [WEB400] Modernization?
>
> Maurice and all,
>
> One would infer from your message that you have some concerns about
DB2i
> or IBM i being "Modern".  Can you share what you believe might be
> lacking in these regarding what may be considered modern?  I am
> currently sitting in CAAC Requirement meetings in Rochester and would
be
> happy to include requirements by you and the community at large for
IBM
> to consider.
>
> Please lay off the marketing shtick, I ain't beating that horse in
this
> venue.  See iManifest for more details on that.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike
>
> mike.p@xxxxxxxx   Cell: (408)679-1011   Office: (815)722-3454
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Maurice O'Prey
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 1:43 PM
> To: 'Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries'
> Subject: Re: [WEB400] Modernization?
>
> I suppose it depends on what your definition of modern is.
>
> It's good yes, but modern??
>
>   
> > > Thought I'd share an email I received and my response......
> > >       
========================================================================
> ==
>
> Thanks for the offer.  However, we already have a "modern
> industry-standard platform" .  IBM i on Power - which includes a
modern
> relational database.
>
>
>   
> > > > From: /redacted/ <<<
> > > >         
> Dear Roger,
>  
> I have logged a few calls to your desk and wondered if we could set up
a
> time to speak. Do you have some time available this month?
>  
> I wanted to reach out to you and your team and see if the timing is
> right to discuss with our Application Modernisation team about
> "Modernizing your aging applications", the week beginning November
> 16th 2009. 
>  
> <redacted>  is specialized in migrating legacy applications and
> databases to modern industry-standard platforms and systems in an
> automated fashion. Over the last 12 years <redacted> has successfully
> combined a market leading suite of automated migration tools, proven
> methodology, and expertise to help organizations maximize the value of
> their legacy systems while minimizing risk and cost.   <redacted> has
> several successful modernization projects of small, midsize, and
> large-scale applications in AS/400 and client/server environments. 
>  
> Services Provided by <redacted> in Enterprise Technology
Modernization.
> A)      Application Inventory and Global Assessment - Providing a
> complete inventory of a company's legacy assets across all desired
> legacy platforms. 
> B)      Modernization Roadmap - We work with clients to develop a
> detailed, technical, comprehensive roadmap to safely modernize desired
> legacy systems over time. 
> C)      Database Migration - Migrate from pre-relational databases to
> modern relational databases.
> D)     Application Migration - Migrate from legacy application
languages
> to modern platforms such as Microsoft.NET and J2EE without any
> reinvestments and re-write of the application.
> E)      Architecture Migration - Web Enablement, Client server to
> Multi-Tier, Client server to SOA. Reap the benefits of three-tier
> architecture for enterprise-class Quality of Service. 
> F)      Application development and maintenance - We have all
technical
> capabilities to offer support services ranging from version. 4.0 to
the
> latest versions. Minimize IT maintenance and support costs through Web
> deployment.
>