Re: Microsoft .NET frontending IBM i

[Kevin Turner <kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I lost track of what was being discussed a couple of days ago.....

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From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Henrik Rützou
Sent: 11 October 2010 21:08
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Subject: Re: [WEB400] Microsoft .NET frontending IBM i

This is a redicules discussion, are we talking about webservices or are we
taking about
a mobilphone requesting a simple server query ?

On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 9:32 PM, <TAllen@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> WSDL is a standard.  The WSDL should define the service itself (endpoint,
> operations, etc.) but not the data.  The schemas do that and you still have
> those even when using a straight POST.
>
> Thanks,
> Todd Allen
> EDPS
> Electronic Data Processing Services
> tallen@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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>             "Maurice O'Prey"
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> > > Aaron Bartell wrote
> > > You don't need to know a lot about WSDL's until you start developing
> > > more complex data streams that talk to many different platforms and
> > > languages. <snip>
> > > you will inevitably say to yourself: why not simplify this approach to
> use
> HTTP
> > > POST + simple XML (like I said earlier in this post).
>
> Isn't that just prolonging the problem?  Lazy programmers talking to other
> lazy programmers?
>
> I kind of thought WSDL was a standard? (if not lets go back to exchanging
> CSV text files). One system to another (one system) is not an option.
>
> Maurice O'Prey
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> From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Aaron Bartell
> Sent: 11 October 2010 15:17
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> Subject: Re: [WEB400] Microsoft .NET frontending IBM i
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> You don't need to know a lot about WSDL's until you start developing
> more complex data streams that talk to many different platforms and
> languages.  In the end, if you are offering public web services, you
> will inevitably become familiarized with WSDL/XSD/XML because not
> everyone does it like Microsoft.  And then once you become familiar
> with WSDL/XSD/XML and have to "debug" it for your customers, you will
> inevitably say to yourself: why not simplify this approach to use HTTP
> POST + simple XML (like I said earlier in this post).
>
> Just my experience of the roughly 10yrs I have been doing web services
> (with the last 6 years doing it almost fulltime).
>
> Aaron Bartell
> http://mowyourlawn.com
> http://mowyourlawn.com/blog/
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> On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 8:22 AM,  <TAllen@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > <shakes head>
> > I find it baffling that someone developing web services cannot interpret
> or
> > read a WSDL or XML schema.  It's not uncommon.  I run into it all the
> time.
> > Thanks,
> > Todd Allen
> > EDPS
> > Electronic Data Processing Services
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> > Isn't that the point of object oriented development.  Building black
> > boxes :-)
> >
> > Just a minute.  Let me get my hammer and chisel.  Clang...Clang...
> > Ouch :-)
> >
> > Try bending your mind around it and you might find that the better way it
> > to NOT hand code WSDL.....  Clang...Clang...
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> > date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 09:00:20 -0400
> > from: TAllen@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > subject: Re: [WEB400] Microsoft .NET frontending IBM i
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> > Then I'd say you are working with a black box, letting the WSDL be
> > generated for you.  That may work great, until you need to interpret or
> > read the WSDL or schemas while debugging or troubleshooting.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Todd Allen
> > EDPS
> > Electronic Data Processing Services
> > tallen@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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