Re: Offer to access IBM i (at version 7) to produce Open Source software and API examples

Aaron,

you obviously isn't living in a country (or area in US) where one KW cost 35
cents
or in a country where one LITER of gas cost aprox 2 USD, cars are taxed with
180%
after normal tax (25% VAT) is added ;-)

The 515 I have installed consumed 6.000KW running 24/365 with aircon in 4
month.

Because the 515 is just a part of the households powerconsumtion I can't
deduct
the cost in tax, that means that I have to pay the bill out of earned money
that
has been taxed with about 65% before I pay the bill.

So suddenly the calculation looks like 6000KW * 35 cents / 0,35 (net after
tax) =
6000 USD that I have to earn to pay the bill.

After that you can add the inconvinience of having a server in a household,
noise,
space used etc., the expences/time used of keeping it up to date, the
service cost
or repair bills, the depreciation of your investment in hardware etc. etc.

Is it beginning to look like a bargin to you to buy the same to have the
same possibilities
for 100 USD a month in US - all tax deductable ?

Or, if the same service existed in India or China for 20 USD a month, to
move over
there ?

This is just globalization, who cares if the service is placed in "your
bedroom", in US
or in China - if it is the same service ?

/henrik

On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Aaron Bartell <aaronbartell@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:

As I stated the discussed offer to Open Sources is cheaper than to pay

for the power consumtion, even if IBM gave you a machine for free.


Not that I want to get into a debate with you, but you are not being
factual. Or at least you aren't considering all scenarios.

Your previous statement that it costs $100+ per month for electricity is
just plain wrong for a small machine. My entire monthly electric bill is
$60-$80 per month for a house with 7 people in it. I figure BOTH my 520's
are using a total of $20/month MAX.

Running any serious Open Source project isn't free at all.

Non-IBM i open source projects can be done pretty much for free (or at
least
perceived as free). For example, most already own a personal desktop
machine running Windows. Once you have that desktop machine you can
develop
open source COMPLETELY for free with many different languages (this
includes
hosting the open source project, which can be put on SourceForge.net).
Note
I am not talking about providing a service like a web app, but instead
talking about being able to develop open source for free.

You have to realize that we aren't talking about huge open source projects
-
we are talking about people just getting started.

The native structure of IBM i is so different from any other platform,

so without basic knowledge they wouldn't come very far and probably leave
the partition inactive when they saw the first 5250 screen.

Nothing a few tutorials couldn't solve. I started preparing tutorials to
introduce somebody to web development on IBM i for the first time, but then
stopped because I realized you couldn't really access a machine.

IMHO iDevCloud covers exatly what Aaron and others discussed ealier in

this
forum where the pro and cons of a shared machine owned by a coorporative
was
discussed

No, it doesn't. That's all I am going to say because you obviously didn't
read the whole thread.

Aaron Bartell
www.MowYourLawn.com/blog <http://www.mowyourlawn.com/blog>
www.OpenRPGUI.com <http://www.openrpgui.com/>
www.SoftwareSavesLives.com <http://www.softwaresaveslives.com/>
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