Re: PHP Strategy and opportunity -- WEB400

Aaron,
PHP is controlled by a working group. Check this for a list of authors.
http://php.net/credits.php

PHP is released as a BSD style license.
http://us3.php.net/license/

Thanks
Bryce Martin
Programmer/Analyst I
570-546-4777

Aaron Bartell <aaronbartell@xxxxxxxxx>
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Re: [WEB400] PHP Strategy and opportunity

I agree that PHP is probably the best alternative to RPG web programming
(if
you are looking for alternatives) concerning getting up and running fast
with both an environment and learning the language.

I am curious, what is the license for PHP usage? Or who owns it? Does it
have something like OpenJDK equivalence?

Aaron Bartell
www.MowYourLawn.com/blog
www.OpenRPGUI.com
www.SoftwareSavesLives.com

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Mike Pavlak <mike.p@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

I am creating a new subject line here as we are moving well off topic of
ASF.

I agree with what you are saying. This is why I see PHP as a smart
language for RPG developers to consider. I try not to get into

religious

wars about this language does this vs. that. By now we all know that

each

language has advantages and disadvantages. But the ability to swing

between

procedural and OO development gives RPG developers the kind of "on ramp"
that they have been looking for since IBM started their burger flipping
campaign for Java. By starting in the procedural model of PHP and

growing

into the OO model, RPG developers benefit from the kind of learning

curve

they enjoyed when Subfiles came about. In other words, be productive

now

and continue to grow at your own speed. We all learn at a different

pace

and I have seen many in the IBM i community working with very successful
projects in a variety of technologies. Some jumped on the Java

bandwagon,

some Net.Data and some to M$. Having choices is what it is all about.
Picking a solution that works for you and your company is the key. And

admit that religious wars about computer languages can be fun...in the
correct context. ;-)

Long live open source!

Regards,

Mike

mike.p@xxxxxxxx Cell: (408)679-1011 Office: (630)928-1476

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Behalf Of Aaron Bartell
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 11:52 AM
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: [WEB400] The ASF Resigns From the JCP Executive Committee

I am wondering if it had something to do with when PHP started including
OO.
Though I thought that was way back in PHP3.

FWIW, being able to do non-OO and OO in a single language has been good

for

my usage of PHP. Though most of my "PHP OO" has been modular

programming

more than anything (i.e. separate out related code components into
appropriately named PHP objects).

Aaron Bartell
www.MowYourLawn.com/blog
www.OpenRPGUI.com
www.SoftwareSavesLives.com

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Mike Pavlak <mike.p@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

I am not familiar with the "battle" either. Joe, can you site some
references from which you are referring?

Regards,

Mike

mike.p@xxxxxxxx Cell: (408)679-1011 Office: (630)928-1476

Zend Server for IBM i avilable at
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Behalf Of Thorbjørn Ravn Andersen
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 7:42 AM
To: 'Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries'
Subject: Re: [WEB400] The ASF Resigns From the JCP Executive Committee

I am not familiar with the PHP4 versus PHP5 battle. What in

particular

are

you referring to?

(and for those wondering why the "claim to be Java" is so important,

is

to avoid the little nasty corner cases which usually bite you in
production.
Passing the TCK (allowing you to claim to be Java) catches most of

these).

Proof: Look at OpenJDK - tiny issues in the corners which all in all

cause

the instinctive reflex to any problem to be "install Sun JDK and see

it

goes away". It usually do.

/Thorbjørn

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Behalf Of Joe Pluta
Sent: 10. december 2010 20:23
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: [WEB400] The ASF Resigns From the JCP Executive Committee

Sorry, I didn't mean it that way. I should have been more specific:

this

limtitation prevents Harmony from running on an appliance and claiming

be Java compatible.

It's really a tempest in a teapot, at least for now. As Thorbjørn

noted,

SE 6 is perfectly adequate for anything coming down the pike. If

Oracle

does indeed force a fork between "official" SE 7 and the current open
source JVM, it will be interesting to see how the open source

community

rects - will new libraries use only SE 6 capabilities? Oracle is in
danger of turning Java into PHP - the PHP4 vs PHP5 battle is still not
pretty.

Joe

I don't agree with Joe that Oracle doesn't want Java running on

embedded

devices. Yes Oracles bread and butter is on the server side, but the
server
side usually talks to some kind of device on the user end.

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