Re: IceBreak as an alternative to Apache?

[Joe Pluta <joepluta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I understand your concerns, and of course those same concerns pertain to 
any stateful connections.  But here's the thing (and Robert alluded to 
it already): the i is designed for handling stateful connections.  
Basically, every 5250 session is a stateful connection.  When you move 
your architecture from 5250 to the web, you can either go stateless or 
stateful.  If you go stateful (which is my preference), then basically 
the persistent web connection replaces the interactive 5250 session, 
just without the interactive bit!  My PSC technology does exactly that - 
I just replace the 5250 with a JSP.

I have absolutely no issues running hundreds of users through stateful 
connections.  The only thing you need to do is make sure you assign (and 
dedicate) enough memory to the JVM.  Stick 500MB in its own subsystem 
and run your JVM there.  As your needs grow, you add some more memory to 
that subsystem.  But really you don't need a lot; that subsystem is just 
a thin layer over your RPG business logic.  The RPG then runs using 
normal IBM i memory management which is tuned to support thousands of users.

It's really the best of both worlds - web UI with 5250-like speed.  No, 
it's not as fast as pure green screen, but it's easy to get speeds 
measured in pages per second (as in 10 pages per second).

Joe

> Joe
>
> I have always steered clear of persistent CGI because of a fear that it will not scale as well as a standard stateless environment. Is this fear justified? I have never had the opportunity to put it to the test.
>
> Kevin
>
> On 31 Dec 2010, at 16:05, "Joe Pluta"<joepluta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>  wrote:
>
> > There is nothing particularly special about stateful connections.  In
> > traditional CGI processing this is known as persistent CGI, and has been
> > around since about 1998.  Not only that, it's a built-in capability of
> > the IBM i that has been around for nearly as long on the IBM Apache
> > server.  As far as I know, it goes back to V5R1 or V5R2, maybe further.
> > That's a decade or so.  And with IBM, you control it by session, not by
> > server, so you can have persistent or non-persistent sessions on the
> > same server.
> >
> > Also, this is a fundamental capability of WebSphere.  Via the Java
> > toolkit you can have both persistent and non-persistent connections and
> > in fact, if you needed to you could have both persistent and
> > non-persistent connections in the same session!  EGL supports this
> > capability out of the box; when you define a program (RPG, COBOL,
> > whatever) to be called you define whether it is stateful or stateless.
> > So you can have both stateful and stateless connections in the same
> > session!  Stateful connections each have a persistent job, with
> > overrides and ODPs and a QTEMP - the job is named QZRCSRVS and runs in
> > QUSRWRK.
> >
> > So, it's nice that IceBreak has this, but it's really not unique to the
> > tool.
> >
> > Happy New Year!
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > P.S. For debugging, you might want to look into Service Entry Points.
> > It makes debugging web programs a breeze, even in non-persistent CGI!