Re: Is there a good Tutorial that is current on Websphere? -- WEB400

At the moment I am dealing with V5R4.

My interest on this is that in my opinion there are a lot of shops out there who are late adopters and have active installations they use, understand, and depend upon. They already have staffs who are competent, knowledgeable, and curious. As soon as these folks start talking about web applications the web people want to switch them over to Quickbooks, Excel, and MS SQL or similar solutions. In my experience that begins a series of events that almost always ends up badly.

I have mucked around with static web pages (I happen to believe my web site ( http://www.martinvt.com ) is attractive, easy to navigate, and has content which is useful to some. In other words, I have just enough knowledge to be dangerous and I have a desire to become more dangerous.

In the end my feeling is this: If we here on Midrange.com who make our bread and butter off this platform do not prefer our own product why should anyone else?

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as an add on: A mixed collection of all of the "best" solutions is rarely the optimal solution.

On 3/7/2011 8:55 AM, Bryce Martin wrote:

I know that Booth mentioned V4R5.... I don't know his machine specs, but I
imagine that they aren't incredible if he's at that release. I can only
think that the web adminstration for WAS would be about useless. Its a
hog.

Here's the thing.... The IBM i can do pretty much everything. From mail
server, to web server, to enterprice DB and ERP, to DNS and all of the
other happy network stuff. But as has been argued before....just because
you can, doesn't mean you should. And if you look at this platform as the
be all and end all just because it "can" do something then you're doing a
disservice by not looking for the right solution for the job at hand.

And one more thing that bothered me about your one post Booth....Its good
to know the platform's capabilities. But its not a good idea to ignore
technology that isn't present on the IBM i as not ready for prime time or
what not. There is lots of viable technology that the IBM i doesn't
support... many programming languages, DB engines, and even other web
servers. If you look at it from a high level, you can accomplish most
ideas on the platform. But it might not be the best suited to do all
things.

Is WAS a viable solution for web dev on the IBM i? For the most part, as
long as you don't need huge scale. You still didn't really answer the
question of exactly what kind of tutorial you are after. Do you want
Websphere tutorials? HTTP/CSS/JS/Java tutorials? Apache tutorials? You
say something about end to end... do you mean from WAS installation to
published site? Or are you farther along in the process??

Thanks
Bryce Martin
Programmer/Analyst I
570-546-4777

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Re: [WEB400] Is there a good Tutorial that is current on Websphere?

Here is a starting point, WAS 7.0 for developers, no-charge download

http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/downloads/ws/wasdevelopers/index.html
(be sure to also download the "Quick Start Guide" PDF on that page).

The IBM developerWorks site is one of the great programming resources,
comparable to Microsoft's MSDN or Oracle's Oracle Technology Network
(OTN).
You will find a lot of intro/intermediate/advanced articles about all
facets
of WAS at developerWorks.

You can install WAS 7.0 on a Windows (or Linux) PC. The installation /
administration / development experience is practically the same as what
you
would have on the IBM i. You can use the JT400 / JTOpen software to
connect
from your PC to your i.

If you are using one of the Rational Developer products, you can install
the
WebSphere Test Environment (WTE) and invoke a servlet/JSP/JSF app from
within Rational to run in WTE on your PC. This is very handy for debugging
and quick tests.

WebSphere Application Server on the IBM i is practically all a Java story,
very little that is "i" specific about it. It installs almost entirely in
the IFS, uses a subsystem to launch, then runs as a Java process the
entire
time it is up. It can be administered via QSH commands, but is much more
easily controlled and configured through its Administration pages. The
Admin
pages are well integrated with the IBM i HTTP Server Administration pages.

Craig Pelkie

-----Original Message-----
From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Dean, Robert
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 6:50 PM
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Subject: Re: [WEB400] Is there a good Tutorial that is current on
Websphere?

As has been amply demonstrated already, you'll find a lot of anti-WAS
bigotry. I don't understand it, personally. WebSphere enables far more
workloads to run on the IBM i and increases the viability of the platform,
just like PHP (which I'm happy to see). It'd be nice if they ported Mono
as
well (although I understand IBM's probable reluctance to test whether
Microsoft will stick by its pledge not to enforce patents against Mono).

As far as WebSphere goes, it's very simple to set up and start using (just
make sure you're current on PTFs). WebSphere has enough moving parts to
become complex if you try to use all of its features. If you stick to the
basics, it works as well as anything else. The main drawback is that the
tools that work best for development are chargeable offerings (RAD SE,
RAD,
or MyEclipse BLUE).

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From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] on behalf
of
Booth Martin [booth@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 4:40 PM
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: [WEB400] Is there a good Tutorial that is current on
Websphere?

This response intrigues me. One of the reasons I want to learn more about
Websphere is that I admit to being an IBM bigot. If I don't understand
the
platform's capabilities how can I expect others to advocate for the
platform?

On 3/4/2011 3:13 AM, Kevin Turner wrote:

Are you talking about WAS? I am not sure why you would want all that

complexity when there are much simpler ways. Have you looked at CGIDEV2
or
Icebreak for example?

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Sent: 04 March 2011 05:40
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Subject: [WEB400] Is there a good Tutorial that is current on Websphere?

Is there a good Tutorial that is current on Websphere?

In looking, I am finding pretty stale information, and it occurs to me
that probably those tutorials are no longer relevant or useful.

I am wanting to build an application that resides on the i, serves
dynamic web pages, and allows me to display the fields in a simple
keyed physical file, and an image (also stored on the i)

I would like to develop the application with Rational Developer for the

i.

It occurs to me that I am probably making it all too complicated, and
that I might do well to stop, look, and listen.

--
Booth Martin
802-461-5349
http://www.martinvt.com

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