Re: Web Enabling Applications -- WEB400

Just follow the discussion ,,,,

http://www.linkedin.com/groupAnswers?viewQuestionAndAnswers=&discussionID=190143454&gid=59314&commentID=108288054&trk=view_disc&ut=3axZVr6OB9EBw1

On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Henrik Rützou <hr@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

And it is NOT the same language that Looksoftware speaks

On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Henrik Rützou <hr@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Jeff,

Scott is now a part of Profoundlogic and has to speak their language

On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Jeff Crosby <jlcrosby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

Yes, he is an active participant. He made 2 well thought out posts that
everyone was able to read.

You gave me the impression that you could not see them by posting this:

"Nice to know that Scott obviously sends out filtered mails that he
dosn't
want other to respond to"

which made no sense to me. Filtered? How could he post to the list such
that only some could see it?

Since this is essentially off-topic, I'll stop here since I am evidently
flummoxed by your post.

On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Henrik Rützou <hr@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Jeff,

do you se Scott as an active part of this current discussion, in my

view he

just made a statement
two days ago - that is my point

On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Jeff Crosby <

jlcrosby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

wrote:

Henrik,

What point are you trying to make? You obviously feel jilted in some

way,

unless I'm completely not understanding what you're driving at.

On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Henrik Rützou <hr@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

wrote:

Michael,

yes - two days ago ;-)

On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Michael Ryan <

michaelrtr@xxxxxxxxx>

wrote:

BS. Scott responded in this thread twice in a row. I'm able to

read

them.

On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Henrik Rützou <hr@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

wrote:

Nice to know that Scott obviously sends out filtered mails

that he

dosn't

want other to respond to

On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Jim Cooper <

Jim.Cooper@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

wrote:

Another well put Scott.

Jim Cooper
Program Coordinator
Lambton College
jim.cooper@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
519-542-7751 ext. 3219

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Subject: Re: [WEB400] Web Enabling Applications

Todd,

What I've discovered is that RPG is simply a better language

for

writing

business rules and business logic than the others.

I agree with your assessment that it's often hard to find

qualified

RPG

developers. That's not to say that it's hard to find RPG

developers

--

but rather than most RPG developers on the job market have

out-of-date

skills, so are not "qualified." The reasons for this vary,

but

it's

mostly because too many businesses have this idea that RPG

and

IBM

i

are

not capable (Which is completely untrue) and therefore

delegate

modern

tasks to other platforms. This becomes self-fulfilling,

because

the

RPGers don't get real life work experience with modern work.

To combat that, you have to start somewhere... and one

approach

that

has worked well for several shops that I've talked to is to

hire

PHP

or

C programmers, and then TEACH them RPG. Many of them, once

they

get

past the learning curve, are REALLY impressed by the RPG and

IBM

i

environment. The integrated platform with integrated

database

is a

positive boon for them. Being able to write business logic

and

database

logic in RPG is something they enjoy, because it makes their

job

easier

than attempting the same thing in languages like PHP or C.

(Especially

C!)

And they bring a fresh viewpoint to old shops, and their

experience

with

modern development techniques comes along with them -- and

the

results

are great.

So please don't be dismayed when you can't find RPG

programmers...

just

hire a PHP or C programmer, and teach them. I think you'll

be

pleased

with that.

However -- and this is a mistake I've seen too many times --

don't

try

to thrust them into old-fashioned ways of doing things, that

will

turn

them off. Give them Rational Developer, not SEU/PDM. Have

them

learn

and write apps in Free format code, with subprocedures and

other

modular

techniques, and SQL for file access. Don't start them off

with

legacy

stuff, or it will discourage them. (Though, probably down

the

road,

they'll have to learn the legacy stuff to maintain older

applications

--

but don't start them there, or they'll get turned off of the

platform.)

-SK

On 12/7/2012 1:06 PM, Allen, Todd wrote:

I may be in the minority here but I'd shy away from using

CGIDEV2

for

any sort of web development. I say minority on this list

only.

The

percentage of all web developers that have used or heard of

CGIDEV2

is probably less than .001%. We've found that RPG

developers

are

hard to find. RPG developers that have web experience are

even

harder to find. If JSON is a requirement then I'd also be

concerned

about processing JSON data with RPG. There are plenty of

libraries

out there for JSON processing but I don't know if you'll

find

one

for

RPG.

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