Re: EGL (was - Hosting a Large Number of Node Apps on the IBM i)

OK - that explains a few things.

I had a quick look at the EDT version and tried to get it running but had some real problems with it on my Mac and soon exhausted the play-time allowed. I’ve had it on my “go back to” list for a while but it wasn’t until this thread that I went back to see what was happening, with a view to picking it up again this summer. Guess I won’t bother now.

Pity that IBM didn’t adopt the improvements.

Thanks for the update Joe.

On Oct 18, 2015, at 12:44 PM, Joe Pluta <joepluta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

As I recall, the problem was that the Open Source version (a/k/a EDT) represented a fairly significant revision to the primary syntax. It was much better, but the problem was that there was no plan to retrofit that syntax back to the commercial product. Without the impetus of the commercial product behind it, EDT had very little chance of survival. And while I don't remember the exact timing, that was also about the time that Tim Wilson left, and so what was left was a vision without its visionary and with no commercial backing.

So given the tepid uptake in the i market and the lack of a clear path for Open Source, all that's really left for EGL is the Z product.

I could be wrong, but as I'm one of those who actually created a production IBM i application using EGL, I'm probably a decent bellwether of the product's future in the i space.

Joe

Am I right in thinking that the Open Source version has died on the vine Joe? There doesn’t seem to have been any action since 2013. Or maybe they moved the site? This is IBM after all!

On Oct 17, 2015, at 5:54 PM, Joe Pluta <joepluta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Actually, that's not quite true. EGL has a very solid following in the Z world; it's the ongoing evolution of web tools for the mainframes (going back 20 years). But, like so much, it just never got any traction in the i environment.

It's still a phenomenal architecture: a single business-class syntax that can be used at any point in the deployment stack, and can talk seamlessly to ILE. But sadly I don't see much uptake.

Joe

EGL was a solution looking for a problem. Adoption of those types of technologies is rare.

Todd


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Speaking of which, is EGL dead? Haven't heard anything about it in ever.

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Bradley Stone <bvstone@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Buck,

I'm with you. I know the web apps Aaron is talking about (They're
still running, BTW.. lol) but if I could go back to update them I would.

It was before eRPG SDK, CGIDEV2, etc. I just wrote a bunch of
procedures to wrap the APIs and went to town. I built a huge
customizable app for it to (to show which data columns to show and in
which order, that sort of thing).

They actually were done as a proof of concept that we could do better
than the PC guys using Cold fusion. That was a no contest once we got
above
1000 records in the DB... haha.. those poor CF servers just choked.

I remember back then similar conversations with people pushing other
technologies we no longer hear about (EGL, Java, JSPs, etc). RPG has
been the constant in these discussions over the past 15+ years. ;)

We all have different paths we took that require different solutions.

Brad
www.bvstools.com

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Buck Calabro <kc2hiz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On 10/16/2015 9:59 AM, Aaron Bartell wrote:

It's not often a person gets a raw outside-looking-in opinion of

themselves

so I suppose this is a great opportunity to lay out my decisions
over

the

past years. It's entirely possible my decisions are derived
foolishly,

so

I thought I'd digress to maybe save others from hitting some of
the

same

pot holes I did.

Thank you for sharing your timeline. I never deployed web apps for
a business, but the general gist of advancing with the times, and
needs of the business is very similar to my timeline. I'm not
exactly embarrassed at the stuff I wrote 20 years ago, but I'd hang
my head in shame if I were to write the same sort of stuff today.

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