Re: 270 quote -- MIDRANGE-L

>If they are using a generic CD, why can't you plug and play other CD
drives?

try getting one of the pc cheapo cards to respond to diagnostics! (sorry-no
industry standards)
I pay more for far better reliability.
(my new Dell (never again) has already had cd-rom & keyboard replaced in the
1st 6 months).
Running a business server demands the highest reliability. Recommending
throw-away equipment? Not me.
If I had my own development machine, i would expect the same reliability.
Imagine a comm problem via ethernet, and not knowing whether the problem is
the wire or the eth card, or the comm controller, or the OS. My time is
worth too much to EVER be bothered with hardware problems.
As one net tech told me, they buy throw away cards cause their so cheap. Now
takes 3-$40,000 a year techs to keep the pc net stuff running! NOT cheap!
</rant>
jim

----- Original Message -----
From: <rob@dekko.com>
To: <midrange-l@midrange.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 12:54 PM
Subject: RE: 270 quote


>
> David,
>
> I think he was looking for alternative vendors.  Like, why does the
> freaking cd drive have a speaker output on it on the 400 CD drive?  So's I
> can listen to Bob Seger while doing coding?  If they are using a generic
> CD, why can't you plug and play other CD drives?  Doesn't someone out
there
> have a worthless 400 that they wouldn't mind swapping other equipment in
to
> see if it works?  I remember people doing some weird stuff with the old
> 5364's and the AS/Entry's.  I heard of someone getting a PC modem card,
> (not serial card), working on either a 5364 or an AS/Entry as a comm port.
>
> Rob Berendt
>
> ==================
> A smart person learns from their mistakes,
> but a wise person learns from OTHER peoples mistakes.
>
>
>
>                     "David Dunfield"
>                     <ddunfie@net-link.n       To:
<midrange-l@midrange.com>
>                     et>                       cc:
>                     Sent by:                  Subject:     RE: 270 quote
>                     midrange-l-admin@mi
>                     drange.com
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>
>                     09/04/2001 11:08 AM
>                     Please respond to
>                     midrange-l
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Without cd rom and tape drive you will have a real hard time loading
> software and ptf's (plus backup once in a while may be nice)!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: midrange-l-admin@midrange.com
> [mailto:midrange-l-admin@midrange.com]On Behalf Of Steve Richter
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 12:03 PM
> To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
> Subject: 270 quote
>
>
> My partner and I are considering the purchase of a model 270. Here are
some
> of the numbers we are being quoted:
>
> The base price, basically just for the cpu:
> 270-2248 ( 150 cpw, 25 interactive cpw, P5 software group )  $6,800
> 270-2432 ( 1070 cpw, 0 interactive, p10 software group )  $10,700
>
> The base price for these models does not include any minimum dasd or
> memory.
> Here are some hardware feature prices:
>
> 3022 128MB main storage $1024
> 4317 8GB dasd $1400
> 4582 4GB qic tape $1300
> 4838 100MBPS ethernet $900
> 4525 CD-ROM $415
>
> Extended maintenance ( not sure what that is )
> 270-2248 $111 per month
> 270-2432 $268 per month
>
> Software
> 5722-WDS Websphere dev studio    P5 - $3650    P10 - $8200
> 5733-SM2 prepay software subscription  P5 - $1168   P10 - $3893
>
> Grand total
> Forget the 10,700 and 6,800 base number. The 2248 is close to $20,000 and
> the 2432 is over $28,000.
> ( not counting hardware and software support )
>
>
> Some comments and questions:
>
> The only difference between hardware prices of the different model 270's
is
> in the cpu. That looks to be about $4000.  So the P5 2248 ( 150/25 cpw )
is
> $14,500 for hardware vs $17,900 for the P10 2432 ( 1070/0 cpw ).
>
> The extended hardware maintenance looks to be a hidden charge on the
faster
> 2432.  $268 per month vs $130 on the 2248.
>
> What is the story with WebSphere?  This is a real show stopper. Looks like
> the only way to get rpg ile is to pay $8200 for the total 5722-WDS
> package!!
> Is that true?
>
> Do we need, have to get the $3893 software subscription?   We are local
> contract programmers and could live with v5r1 for the life of the system.
> Will an upgrade to v5r2 be another $10,000 without it?
>
> No way do I want to pay $415 for a cd rom drive and $1300 for a tape
drive.
> Any alternatives?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve Richter
>
>
>
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