RE: Fast400 Value to iSeries community is less than zero -- MIDRANGE-L

Chris,

I have only one question:  why aren't you working for IBM's marketing
division...?!?  Why doesn't the iNation hire you...?!?

BTW, if I understand right, Intel DOES exactly that, because I've seen
discussion on the merits of "over-clocking" the CPU, in PC rags.

jt



> -----Original Message-----
> From: midrange-l-admin@midrange.com
> [mailto:midrange-l-admin@midrange.com]On Behalf Of Chris Rehm
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 1:29 PM
> To: midrange-l@midrange.com
> Subject: Re: Fast400 Value to iSeries community is less than zero
>
>
> On Friday 09 November 2001 02:55 am, Don wrote:
>
> > That's in effect what's going on now.  You buy a config of say 600 CPW,
> > but are constrained to only using 45 for interactive until you
> "BUY" more
> > interactive...
>
> Why not try a more honest representation of the truth? You aren't buying a
> 600CPW machine and being forced to only use 45CPW.
>
> Just tell your clients that IBM doesn't actually make a box as
> small as the
> 45CPW one they want so what they do is discount a much more powerful
> machine and sell it with the agreement your customer will only use it at
> the level they've purchased.
>
> > Well, from a person that used to using ALL of the 1.7ghz of
> their servers
> > on the intel platforms to look at a proposal and realize that they're
> > paying $110,000USD for a machine that they can only use
> 45/600th of, is a
> > bit of an annoyance and one helluva SOB to sell!
>
> See, there is the real problem. The people are stupid enough to measure
> computing performance by processor speed. But then, if they bought their
> 1.7GHz processors and they wanted to use all the 1.7GHz, I sure
> understand.
> But how much would they complain if they bought their 1.7GHz
> processors and
> Intel shipped 3.4GHz chips hobbled down to 1.7GHz? They bought 1.7GHz and
> they got 1.7GHz, does it matter what the vendor did to provide it?
>
> > Nathan, would you pay $110,000 for a system you were only allowed to use
> > 7.5% of!?  These numbers are approximate, but close enough to what I was
> > faced with this week in trying to talk a Fortune 100 client to
> upgrade...
>
> See, the answer to your question is a qualified, "Yes." I would
> happily pay
> $110,000 for a machine I am only allowed to use 7.5% of if the
> value of the
> portion I get to use has a value greater than $110,000. Also, I'd
> of course
> be looking for an alternative that gave the same value for less than the
> $110,000.
>
> > OH, BTW, the Intel servers would only could a couple
> grand....FAR from teh
> > $110,000 +/- so we're faced with the same kinda scenerio Borts
> was down at
> > JC Penney....
>
> Well, look Don, if the $110,000 iSeries is only doing the work that can be
> easily replaced by a few thousand dollars of Wintel, why would
> you pitch it
> as the solution in the first place? Is there something more to the
> equation? Like maybe the applications needing to run or the support costs
> or something?
>
> > Don in DC
>
> --
> Chris Rehm
> javadisciple@earthlink.net
>
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