Re: Cheaper Servers? -- MIDRANGE-L

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Bull" <Jeff.Bull@ITM-group.co.uk>
To: <midrange-l@midrange.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 9:40 AM
Subject: RE: Cheaper Servers?


> ... imagine an average laptop computer ... how many times more powerful
and
> capacious than many of the AS/400 models of old.
> ... now imagine all those AS/400 / iSeries product salesmen in IBM, BPs,
> trying to compete with the Unix and MS based salesmen; ok, which group can
> actually demonstrate their products, and with more ease ... and in the
> prospects own office?
>
> OS/400 on a laptop would be an incredible marketing tool, every iSeries
> salesperson would want one, need one.  It would put them on a level
playing
> field with those other application vendors.  Even if IBM didn't directly
> make a profit from a laptop
> iSeries, the increase in sales of larger systems would surely and
adequately
> compensate.
>
> How many iSeries based home workers are there out in the world?  IBM, give
> us a CHEAP and practical laptop / single-user desktop version of OS/400 -
if
> there is no demand, create one.  Televisions, microwave ovens, mobile
> phones, home computers - all inventions that most people don't really
need,
> but they nearly all have them.
>
> This is another example of IBM falling out of touch with the needs and
> desires of their customers.
>
> Jeff Bull
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jpcarr@tredegar.com [mailto:jpcarr@tredegar.com]
> Sent: 09 April 2002 03:06
> To: midrange-l@midrange.com
> Subject: Cheaper Servers?
>
>
>
> This is a portion of Newswire and I apologize for presenting a snippet
> here,
> but I wanted to ask the group,
>
> Given that,  (From Snippet below)
>
>  "IBM's p670 offering is especially affordable because of the
> efficiencies gained by sharing processor technology and the
> Rochester manufacturing facility with the iSeries,"
>
> If we share the same hardware, and IBM OWNS  OS/400 and AIX
> and they are putting relatively the same R&D money into both,
>
> Should the iSeries cost the same as a pSeries  ( +/-   a few $)  ??
>
> Also given; (from snippet below)
>
> "The p670 also targets the same types of consolidation
> workloads as the iSeries, with the largest 16-way box able to
> support 16 Unix or Linux logical partitions."
>
> Then if the pSeries costs lots less,  wouldn't that give a considerable
> marketing advantage to the pSeries?
>
> Maybe a town hall meeting question to who ever is going to COMMON.
>
> John Carr
>
> ----------------------------------
>
> IBM RENEWS ATTACK ON MIDRANGE MARKET
> http://www.iseriesnetwork.com/nwn/story.cfm?ID=14190
>
> <SNIP>
> The midrange space is a reliable, growing market, but IBM and its
> competitors have a secondary reason for their renewed interest, says
> Sageza Group senior analyst Charles King. "Enterprises have pretty
> tight purse strings right now," he says. "[IBM's] Regatta and
> [Sun's] Star Cat 15K are both very interesting, very capable high-
> end machines, but I think vendors like IBM and Sun may have looked
> around and thought, maybe we should come out with something cheaper,
> something companies can get by with, that they can actually afford
> at this point."
>
> IBM's p670 offering is especially affordable because of the
> efficiencies gained by sharing processor technology and the
> Rochester manufacturing facility with the iSeries, McGaughan says.
> The p670 is priced about 36 percent less than comparable Sun Fire
> models 4800 and 6800 and about 20 percent less than comparable HP
> RP8400 models. The p670 also targets the same types of consolidation
> workloads as the iSeries, with the largest 16-way box able to
> support 16 Unix or Linux logical partitions. (That's compared to the
> HP 8400 and Sun Fire 4800, which can each support just two
> partitions, and the Sun Fire 6800, which can support four.) IBM
> expects to have 64-bit Linux running in a pSeries partition in third
> quarter.
>
> <SNIP>
>
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