RE: Cheaper Servers? -- MIDRANGE-L

There was one once - P01 - whatever happened? It went nowhere. Who's to blame?

Just wondering?

At 03:40 PM 4/9/02 +0100, you wrote:
>... imagine an average laptop computer ... how many times more powerful and
>capacious than many of the AS/400 models of old.
>... now imagine all those AS/400 / iSeries product salesmen in IBM, BPs,
>trying to compete with the Unix and MS based salesmen; ok, which group can
>actually demonstrate their products, and with more ease ... and in the
>prospects own office?
>
>OS/400 on a laptop would be an incredible marketing tool, every iSeries
>salesperson would want one, need one.  It would put them on a level playing
>field with those other application vendors.  Even if IBM didn't directly
>make a profit from a laptop
>iSeries, the increase in sales of larger systems would surely and adequately
>compensate.
>
>How many iSeries based home workers are there out in the world?  IBM, give
>us a CHEAP and practical laptop / single-user desktop version of OS/400 - if
>there is no demand, create one.  Televisions, microwave ovens, mobile
>phones, home computers - all inventions that most people don't really need,
>but they nearly all have them.
>
>This is another example of IBM falling out of touch with the needs and
>desires of their customers.
>
>Jeff Bull
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: jpcarr@tredegar.com [mailto:jpcarr@tredegar.com]
>Sent: 09 April 2002 03:06
>To: midrange-l@midrange.com
>Subject: Cheaper Servers?
>
>
>
>This is a portion of Newswire and I apologize for presenting a snippet
>here,
>but I wanted to ask the group,
>
>Given that,  (From Snippet below)
>
>  "IBM's p670 offering is especially affordable because of the
>efficiencies gained by sharing processor technology and the
>Rochester manufacturing facility with the iSeries,"
>
>If we share the same hardware, and IBM OWNS  OS/400 and AIX
>and they are putting relatively the same R&D money into both,
>
>Should the iSeries cost the same as a pSeries  ( +/-   a few $)  ??
>
>Also given; (from snippet below)
>
>"The p670 also targets the same types of consolidation
>workloads as the iSeries, with the largest 16-way box able to
>support 16 Unix or Linux logical partitions."
>
>Then if the pSeries costs lots less,  wouldn't that give a considerable
>marketing advantage to the pSeries?
>
>Maybe a town hall meeting question to who ever is going to COMMON.
>
>John Carr
>
>----------------------------------
>
>IBM RENEWS ATTACK ON MIDRANGE MARKET
>http://www.iseriesnetwork.com/nwn/story.cfm?ID=14190
>
><SNIP>
>The midrange space is a reliable, growing market, but IBM and its
>competitors have a secondary reason for their renewed interest, says
>Sageza Group senior analyst Charles King. "Enterprises have pretty
>tight purse strings right now," he says. "[IBM's] Regatta and
>[Sun's] Star Cat 15K are both very interesting, very capable high-
>end machines, but I think vendors like IBM and Sun may have looked
>around and thought, maybe we should come out with something cheaper,
>something companies can get by with, that they can actually afford
>at this point."
>
>IBM's p670 offering is especially affordable because of the
>efficiencies gained by sharing processor technology and the
>Rochester manufacturing facility with the iSeries, McGaughan says.
>The p670 is priced about 36 percent less than comparable Sun Fire
>models 4800 and 6800 and about 20 percent less than comparable HP
>RP8400 models. The p670 also targets the same types of consolidation
>workloads as the iSeries, with the largest 16-way box able to
>support 16 Unix or Linux logical partitions. (That's compared to the
>HP 8400 and Sun Fire 4800, which can each support just two
>partitions, and the Sun Fire 6800, which can support four.) IBM
>expects to have 64-bit Linux running in a pSeries partition in third
>quarter.
>
><SNIP>
>
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