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Joe, you can't develop a killer application in a reasonable timeframe and at reasonable cost (short- and long-term) without development and infrastructure tools that are up to the job. There are clever and innovative 3rd party *execution* tools out there (yours included), but I'm reluctant to bet my business, and the IT future of my customers, on one small company. No offense meant; I'm a small company too! The distasteful solution is to get out of the application business and into the plumbing business by developing model-view-controller logic as a native part of the application (when it should be part of the operating system). IBM can do anything they want if and when they decide it's good sales policy. Right now the low-hanging fruit (in the form of racks of servers and rooms of network administrators) is all that IBM can see. Things are getting better, AD tool-wise, but you never know what's around the corner with IBM. You always hope it's their killer development tool app! Regards, Reeve
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