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Al, Welcome to the list AND the AS/400 (iSeries) world. So how did you find out about this list ? Chuck -----Original Message----- From: midrange-l-admin@midrange.com [mailto:midrange-l-admin@midrange.com] On Behalf Of Konrad Underkofler Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 8:40 AM To: 'midrange-l@midrange.com' Subject: Welcome AL! Al, Welcome to the iSeries community. Given all of Joe's ranting about "the best business logic server", whatever that might be the point was lost. We just got a nice new 270-2434 ourselves and develop and modify our own software as well using RPG, Java, ODBC etc. It has been a performance godsend to us thoroughly trampling the 400s rep as a slow obsolete box (current interactive response time is ~ .1 second). The point is that the canned software vendors of any appreciable size have pretty much stopped developing green screen RPG applications. They have all started to move to the Java, application server market to better serve their customers and grow their market share. I think IBM has done a great job in keeping the 400 function alive while migrating to the more open world of the iSeries and a common hardware platform, which as long as you buy a big enough box can run just about anything. Since you are new to the iSeries check out Progen and Websmart. They give you a good leg up on rapid app development, are fairly priced and reduce your need for dedicated programming staff. Long live MPE! It was another wonderful midrange box. Regards Konrad -----Original Message----- From: Al Karman [mailto:Alk@ladyremingtonjewelry.com] Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 10:59 AM To: midrange-l@midrange.com Subject: RE: Lower End AS/400s Konrad Asks... Is anyone actually doing new major development in RPG these days? Al replies... We're newbies to the iSeries/name_of_the_week world from the venerable hp3000...watching and appreciating all the activity from the user community! We really can't wait to start the conversion...btw, this box, imho, isn't going anywhere, regardless of the prevailing wisdom re 'killer apps'...the machine seems to be a good fix for a small company. Having recently purchased some canned sw written in RPG and requiring some serious mods, I'd say we're making Konrad wrong...sorry ]:-) Al Karman Director of Information Technology Lady Remington Jewelry alk@ladyremingtonjewelry.com 630.860.3323 -----Original Message----- From: midrange-l-admin@midrange.com [mailto:midrange-l-admin@midrange.com] On Behalf Of Konrad Underkofler Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 9:48 AM To: 'midrange-l@midrange.com' Subject: RE: Lower End AS/400s From: Joe Pluta >> From: Konrad Underkofler >> >> Other systems have come a long long way. All systems, properly >> managed seem to be about equally reliable in both hardware >> and software. >I'd like to see even one fact that supports this statement. Since it's the >largest factor for getting an AS/400 as opposed to a server farm, I really >like numbers as opposed to general statements. Joe, check out the market, people and companies vote with their feet! This is not even debatable anymore. We are discussing the death, end or other "marketing" problem of the AS/400. Most of the TCO stuff favoring the 400 is silly and stupid. If there was a REAL SUBSTANTIVE DIFFERENCE companies would pay anything to have that extra reliability! >> Choice is good, the iSeries is still a single source solution >> prone to the whims of IBM. This makes it similar to Apple in >> gaining acceptance in companies that prefer multiple sources >> of supply to encourage competition and innovation. >End useres (at least my clients!) tend to care less about "competition" and >"innovation" and more about total cost of ownership and time to market. >That's because my clients care about things like performance as opposed to >"platform independence". The only person who makes out in a platform >independent world is the consultant, and especially the one who hires $25/hr >coders from overseas. The reality says cross platform or obsolete. Even games are this way! Where is the killer iSeries application? Most are overpriced crap. Even the largest of the iSeries application houses JD Edwards is moving to an open architecture. >> Still all in all a great platform! Now if they do away with >> the interactive penalty, lower the cost of software and >> maintenace, strap on some great, productive development tools >> with the assistance of Rational... >I can stil write business logic faster today with SEU and RPG than I can >with any other tool and language. If there were a more productive, more >stable, more reliable, more scalable platform, I'd consider it. There >simply is no such platform. It may be business logic but it sure won't be object oriented code. Is anyone actually doing new major development in RPG these days? 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