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The question is, have any of them ever paid the invoice? Probably not, huh? John Brandt iStudio400.com (903) 523-0708 Home of iS/ODBC - MSSQL access from iSeries and RPG. -----Original Message----- From: pnelson@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pnelson@xxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 10:38 AM To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion Subject: RE: Fwd: Need Help Against Unethical California SoftwareBusiness Practices I have sent invoices to doctors and others who have kept me waiting more than 30 minutes past my scheduled appointment time. It works wonders with punctuality thereafter. Paul Nelson Arbor Solutions, Inc. 708-670-6978 Cell pnelson@xxxxxxxxxx daparnin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx 01/12/2005 10:07 AM Please respond to Midrange Systems Technical Discussion To: midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx cc: Subject: RE: Fwd: Need Help Against Unethical California SoftwareBusiness Practices Maybe you could start sending them invoices to compensate you for your "invoice processing" time and legal fees. rob@xxxxxxxxx Sent by: To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion midrange-l-bounces@m <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>@SMTP@CTB idrange.com cc: (bcc: David A Parnin/Topeka/NISCO/SPCO) Subject: RE: Fwd: Need Help Against Unethical California SoftwareBusiness Practices 01/12/2005 10:56 AM Please respond to Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@midrange .com> Invoice spam? Bill everyone and hope that x% just pay the bill without thinking. Having no phone or email contact reduces your expense enough to make it profitable. Rob Berendt -- Group Dekko Services, LLC Dept 01.073 PO Box 2000 Dock 108 6928N 400E Kendallville, IN 46755 http://www.dekko.com Chris Bipes <chris.bipes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx 01/12/2005 10:38 AM Please respond to Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To "'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> cc Subject RE: Fwd: Need Help Against Unethical California Software Business Practices We too are receiving monthly bills. We had just an evaluation system, PC and all. Would not run what we needed so we returned it. Every so often we get an invoice from them. Accounting now hand delivers to the corporate lawyer. Will never do business with them. Cannot call them, no response to e-mails, They don't seem to exist except in invoice land... Chris Bipes -----Original Message----- Well...they *are* entering into that unholy 'Midrange Alliance' with Microsoft...maybe California Software is trying to impress Microsoft with their business practices. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cluke" <> > Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.as400.misc > Subject: Need Help Against Unethical California Software Business Practices > > > > Dear iSeries community: > > > > AVOID DOING BUSINESS WITH CALIFORNIA SOFTWARE. > > > > I purchased a personal copy of Baby/400 from California Software in > > 1998 for around $1K. I used the product for about three months, didn't > > like it, and uninstalled it in the Spring of 1999, at which point I > > conducted no further business or correspondence with California > > Software. > > > > Suddenly in September 2003, California Software sent me an "annual > > maintenance" invoice for $5000 (yes, 5 times the original purchase > > price) of the product I had uninstalled over 4 years prior. > > > > In the 17 months since then, I have emailed, faxed, phoned and written > > to California Software, trying to explain to them there never was a > > maintenance contract. They have ignored all requests from myself, a > > lawyer, and the Los Angeles Better Business Bureau, for copies of the > > supposed contract. > > > > And with all of this, unbelievably, California Software continues to > > bill me. This year, they've apparently once again changed the terms of > > the contract that never existed, and are billing me on a monthly basis > > to the tune of $417/month. > > > > The reasons for my posting this article are two-fold: > > > > (1) To warn small companies or individuals and consultants who do not > > have lots of money to spend in court to seriously reconsider any > > business with this company, and > > > > (2) To beg anyone with any helpful information or suggestions as to how > > to deal with this situation to please email me back at > > tclukay@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > I would prefer not to have to take money out of my IRA or my son's > > college fund to fight these unethical preditors. > > > -- > This is the Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (MIDRANGE-L) mailing list > To post a message email: MIDRANGE-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, > visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-l > or email: MIDRANGE-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx > Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives > at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l. -- This is the Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (MIDRANGE-L) mailing list To post a message email: MIDRANGE-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-l or email: MIDRANGE-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l. -- This is the Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (MIDRANGE-L) mailing list To post a message email: MIDRANGE-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-l or email: MIDRANGE-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l. -- This is the Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (MIDRANGE-L) mailing list To post a message email: MIDRANGE-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-l or email: MIDRANGE-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l. -- This is the Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (MIDRANGE-L) mailing list To post a message email: MIDRANGE-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-l or email: MIDRANGE-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l. -- This is the Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (MIDRANGE-L) mailing list To post a message email: MIDRANGE-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-l or email: MIDRANGE-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l. -- No virus found in this incoming message. 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