Re: 515 and 525 user licensing

[Pete Helgren <Pete@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Just to add more to the mix (and Larry is right on with his 
information.  He must have sat through the same, agonizingly detailed BP 
presentations as I did) .

If you are running a Linux LPAR, you don't need UE's for any users (real 
or imagined) that access resources within the partition.  So, if you had 
a PHP app running against a MySQL database within that partition, you 
need no UE's.  None.  If, however, you access System i resources (DB for 
example) then UE's apply.

Where things get interesting is if you have an IXA/IXS running Windows 
accessing the System i then do you pay for Windows CAL's and System i 
UE's?  I can't remember, but perhaps I dozed off during that part.

The reality here, and Larry said it, is this is based in large part in 
System i owners policing themselves.  Given the way they have structured 
the licensing there is no automated way they could ever count "persons".

Pete Helgren

albartell wrote:
> > > On another note,
> > > when you install PHP it creates/uses two profiles: ZENDADMIN and 
> > > ZENDTECH, so I guess PHP just cost me $500? (2 users at $250 as per 
> > > Pete Heldgrens
> > > email)
> > >   
> > >       
> > Here I think those users would NOT count. They are there to own and operate
> >     
> ZEND PHP. They do not constitute real users >with actual fingers so they
> would be 'free'. 
>
> I am guessing that they would have software to help track profiles and keep
> accurate counts?  I can see a shop with good intentions not tallying up
> everything correctly because of the number of apps running on the iSeries
> and then inherently the number of application specific profiles.  I can't
> see IBM being organized enough to know that ZENDTECH and ZENDADMIN were
> *free* profiles vs. ones that should be charged for.  Sure these are easier
> to spot than others, but that isn't always going to be the case.  
>
> Anyways...doing the honor system usually means those that are honest pay
> more because the dishonest don't honor - and I would be one that would honor
> so I would be paying up the butt!  Now I am back to this not making logical
> sales sense though I do believe I understand the situation better (if that
> makes sense).
>
>
> Aaron Bartell
> http://mowyourlawn.com
>
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