Sorry, should have been a little more clear on that extract thing... DDS
   described files don't usually have RI constraints defined. Also, other
   types of constraints are SQL defined, so the extraction, which is based on
   reading the SQL catalog files, doesn't have much to work with other than
   the physical definition of fields in the files. So, the initial extraction
   does not produce workable models without some effort on your part.
   hth
   R Bruce Hoffman wrote:
 I have used both ERWin and Embarcadero's ERStudio successfully with the
 AS/400, i Series and i5's. However, you should be aware that these
 products (and no product really can, witness the extraction maps of Ops
 Nav...) will only extract the basic definitions and the linking of the
 mapped objects is still a manual thing.
 That being said, I did prefer ERWin for it's ability, once the
 relationships were all described, to produce change scripts in the base
 product.
 Again, there is no shortcut to producing the models in these products.
 But once the work of migrating the meta-data into these models is
 complete, if you continue to use them, there are significant advantages
 and benefits in the long term aside from just the diagrams.
 eftimios pantzopoulos wrote:
  
 I'm working at a site which has a system that's been in place for over 15
 years and has had lots of files (but no SQL DDL) added over the years after
 the base system was installed. No-one knows exactly what is in there and I
 want to create an ERD using some sort of tool. I know OPs Navigator has a
 function, but it doesn't seem rich enough in functionality. Does anyone use
 such a diagramming technique, and if so, any suggestions as to what
 product(s) might be useful with DB2?
 I would presume that the tool could suck basic stuff out of DB2 and then
 provide drawing tools to relate foreign key relationships at least.
 I've been using the Paul Conte/Mike Cravitz book as an SQL reference and I
 was thinking of the sorts of diagrams that they were using in chapter 20 of
 the book.
 Searching in Midrange didn't provide any definitive answers.
 Regards,
 Mike Pantzopoulos
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