RE: Ridiculous software transfer fees (wasEDIand Inovis fromLibraryData)

["Bradley V. Stone" <brad@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I can't help but comment.. I think I need to raise my prices.. lol! 

Bradley V. Stone
BVSTools - www.bvstools.com 
eRPG SDK - www.erpgsdk.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Ingvaldson, Scott
> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:13 AM
> To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
> Subject: RE: Ridiculous software transfer fees (wasEDIand Inovis
> fromLibraryData)
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> Yea, that's a good idea.  Constrain the CPW to keep VAR's with old
> school pricing models happy and give up on any thought of running modern
> workloads (Java, WebsFear, Domino, PHP) at all.  That's a good way for
> System i to compete with your intel-based server farms... 
>
> You think that we have it bad?  We upgraded our mainframe to a new box
> with FEWER MIPS and one vendor wanted a $500,000 upcharge!  (They
> settled for A LOT less.)  In a nutshell that's why we'll probably be out
> of both mainframe and System i in a few years... (Guilty, by
> association.)
>
> Regards,
>  
> Scott Ingvaldson
> System i Administrator
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rob@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:rob@xxxxxxxxx] 
> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:47 AM
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> Subject: RE: Ridiculous software transfer fees (was EDIand Inovis
> fromLibraryData)
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> You think IBM could peddle a new i5 box with a seriously constrained CPW
> just to run these cutthroats?  And, no Richter, I don't want to hear the
> comment "aren't they already peddling constrained systems?".
>
> Rob Berendt
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> That's easy to say, but the software vendors are not getting the
> message. 
> We have a software package running on an ancient 170 in one of our 
> divisions and we want to move it to one of our corporate 520s.  The
> vendor 
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> has quoted us a fee of $10,000 to move it.  (As far as I know, it's just
> a 
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> save/restore with maybe entering a new software key.)
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> We've also had the same issue with Inovis for past upgrades and have
> paid 
> them since we have no other choice.  They have given us substantial 
> discounts off of their "list" price for these transfers.
>
> This is an area that IBM should be working on with the software vendors
> to 
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> help with the marketing of the System i.  The basic charges from IBM for
>
> the systems has become reasonable enough that it is not a hard sell any 
> more, but the sticking point is these high and unreasonable additional 
> fees that the software vendors are expecting us to pay.
>
> Thank you,
> Ronald L. Zimmerman
> I.T. Applications Manager
> Swiss Valley Farms, Co.      http://www.swissvalley.com
> "Farmer Owned with Pride"
> Email: Ron-Zimmerman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 07/12/2007 09:09:19 AM:
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> > I can understand a license transfer charge for paperwork and "stuff"
> of
> > anywhere from $250 to $500, but when you are not using the product any
>
> more
> > then you were on the original box, you should not have to pay any more
> > because there is more CPW.
> >
> > Pete
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> >
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lunde, Peter
> > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:58 AM
> > To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
> > Subject: RE: Ridiculous software transfer fees (was EDI and Inovis
> > fromLibraryData)
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> > Scott,
> >
> > If you haven't purchased the 520 yet, you might want to look at the
> 515.
> > It has 3600 CPW for roughly the same price.
> >
> > Peter.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Scott Klement
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 6:46 PM
> > To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
> > Subject: Re: EDI and Inovis from Library Data
> >
> > I'm finding myself REALLY interested in this thread.   My company has 
> > been using Inovis' software for years, but now we're in the process of
> > upgrading our system from a 270 to a 520.
> >
> > The TrustedLink EDI software was around $10k when we originally
> > purchased it from Premenos, and we've faithfully paid for maintenance
> on
> > the product.  However, just to transfer the license from the 270 to
> the
> > 520 they want $15k!!
> >
> > This is an absolutely absurd price in my mind. This 520 is only 600
> CPW,
> > it's the smallest machine IBM makes.  (As was the 270 in it's day). 
> > They are the same software tier, but of course, Inovis doesn't care
> what
> > the software tier is, they only care about the CPW. To me, the notion
> > that it costs more to transfer a license for software that processes
> > 10-15 orders a day than it does to buy a new machine, or to buy the
> > original software in the first place...  it just boggles the mind.
> >
> > Anyway, my point is -- if I can simply write the EDI data to a stream
> > file and FTP it, that would be AWESOME!  Not only would it save me
> > money, but I could make the whole process much more efficient.
> >
> > Can anyone give me more info about what's involved in this?  You just
> > write the EDI formatted data to the IFS (I already know how to do
> that)
> > and FTP it and your done?  (Could it be that simple?)  I assume the
> VAN
> > requires some sort of contract?
> >
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