RE: Web Front End Advice

["Bradley V. Stone" <bvstone@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Exactly, Bruce.  I even mention that in my books.  If you don't know "what's
possible" you won't understand how to use the tools at your disposal to
their best ability.

Bradley V. Stone
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> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 7:46 AM
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> Subject: RE: Web Front End Advice
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>
> Besides "whats actually going on", learning the lower level
> support also enables you to know what the system is capable of,
> as opposed to what the tool provider decided to
> surface/externalize.  It lets the application developer know when
> it might be appropriate to dive a bit deeper and directly use an
> API or similiar construct.
>
>   This is along the lines of what I'm trying to do with a CL
> column I recently started.  The first article was how to test and
> set bits in CL (and COBOL).  Something that, while possible with
> CL and COBOL constructs, is a real pain as those languages/tools
> elected to not externalize any direct bit-level support.  But
> knowing that the underlying ILE MI constructs are there makes it
> a piece of cake due to the integrated nature of ILE :-)
>
>   Bruce Vining
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> "Bradley V. Stone" <bvstone@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>   > > Exactly Bruce! That's why for most I suggest starting with APIs.. it
> > > "forces" you to learn what's actually going on. Of course, I
> don't make
> > > suggestions without a brief high level interview of the skills
> > in the shop.
> >
> > Using that logic (which I agree with, by the way), I wonder why you
> > don't teach how to do it WITHOUT the CGI APIs? i.e use the regular
> > envvar APIs, write stdin/stdout using the standard C APIs, and do URL
> > decoding manually.
> >
> > That's how I learned.
>
> Well, the hardest thing when teaching a subject (which I'm sure
> you know) is
> finding the least common denominator in which to start. So I chose the CGI
> APIs. I could have prefaced my books/articles with "APIs 101" but then how
> far back do I keep going? :) If we don't stop we would end pack up with
> assembler or punchcards.. haha.. (btw, I enjoyed assembler classes too...)
>
> Brad
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