RE: Elimination of PDM/SEU in favor of WDSC/RDI -- MIDRANGE-L

I know I'm in late on this discussion. However, I wanted to ask if there is
an article or something somewhere which states that PDM/SEU is going away.
Also, you mention the various "seats" & pricing - is this chart available as
well?

Debbie

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[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Vernon Hamberg
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:10 AM
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Subject: RE: Elimination of PDM/SEU in favor of WDSC/RDI

David

This takes more setup, but you can get a PDF
straight out of Navigator, as I recall. Right
click a spooled file and there is some conversion option.

You can also directly edit files from the
database feature - a little clumsy but in many
ways easier than DFU - just as dangerous.

And you can make desktop shortcuts to almost
anything in Navigator, so you can bypass all the
startup stuff, at least to some degree.

HTH
Vern

At 02:22 AM 3/13/2008, you wrote:

You wrote :
- it's fantastic to drag a spooled file to the
desktop and have a text file automagically created there.

I'll say its fantastic when I find a little gem
like that hidden away in a discussion like this.
I instantly tried it and mailed it to the rest
of the team who normally don't even use navigator. Now they do!

Got any more like that ?

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[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] De la part de Vernon Hamberg
Envoyé : mercredi 12 mars 2008 15:49
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Objet : Re: Elimination of PDM/SEU in favor of WDSC/RDI

Navigator has a lot of good stuff - it's
fantastic to drag a spooled file to the desktop
and have a text file automagically created there.
It is fantastic to create a shortcut on the
desktop for individual functions. Some things
can only be done there, so we are forced to use
it. And I cringe at using the new web-based
subset - if that thing is as slow as the Web
administration page - Yikes!! Although I do like
using the Web-based admin for HTTP, it is not
easy to put up with slow all the time.

But for performing operations on multiple items,
it is horrible. Take a look at Windows Explorer
sometime - select several objects and
right-click - select Properties - you get the
check boxes and attributes available for all the
objects you selected. Those that are not
applicable to all the items are disabled.

Do the same in Navigator - you are prompted for EVERY SINGLE ITEM!!!
This is awful! Even in something so obvious as
the printer output, where all the objects are
the same, you are not given a single dialog that
will apply to every object selected.

That is where WRKSPLF and PDM shoe their
brilliance - put a 2 on several spooled files,
then type OUTQ(QPRINT) on the command line - one
press of the enter key - you CAN prompt if you
want, but it is not forced on you. It is SO convenient and fast.

I begged IBM years ago to fix Navigator to at
least come up to the "standard" of Windows Explorer.

This is why I asked Joe whether WDSC behaves
like Navigator or like Explorer when you select
several objects and run a user option - from my
experience, it is like Navigator - one at a time nonsense.

So if I have a lot of system, operational work
to do, green screen is my friend. I use the tool
that does the best job at what I need to do.
Admittedly, I have a bias against GUIs for
text-based work - you have to position by eye,
and that is patently slow by definition.
OTOH, I love writing code in WDSC, except for
quick tests and very quick fixes.

Learn both, except now you might not have the opportunity.

As to those who say SEU is so bad - may I
recommend you put your cursor in the sequence
number area and press F1 sometime - there are
treasures there you will NOT believe. TAB stops,
overlay, shifts of all manner of kinds - it is
still a very powerful and useful editor for iSeries applications.

Regards
Vern

At 07:17 AM 3/12/2008, you wrote:

The PDM replacement I have seen is ObjTool from Brad (
http://bvstools.com/objtool.html). I have never used it, so I can't say
anything more about it.

What everyone seems to be missing is that iSeries Navigator is the
operations tool, not WDSc. I agree that I use PDM a lot for that, but
honestly, between WDSc and Ops Nav, I can get most things done that I
need to get done.

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 11:11 PM, CRPence <crp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

wrote:

Seems like a good opportunity for a tool vendor or an open source
project. Maybe then there could be a /position-to/ in the options
and something enabling options to be active specific to the level of
LIB vs OBJ vs MBR. And perhaps actual commands with CMD()
parameters that implement ADD & CHG for the user defined options;
maybe there was some design limitation that I am not aware of, for
which UIM panels versus command panels were preferred.?

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