sorry about getting it started again....
But hey - the truck in the mud thing really made me laugh. I needed a laugh. Thanks
Jim
Quality means doing the right thing when no one is looking
Henry Ford
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From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paul Nelson
Sent: Friday, 20 March 2009 8:16
To: 'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'
Subject: RE: Green Screen (Dumb Terminal) Email Client for System i
Aw Jeez. Now you're going to get Trevor started again. :-))
On the other hand, twin-ax always works, and with enough of it, you can pull
your truck out of the mud.
Paul Nelson
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From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Wiant
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:02 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: RE: Green Screen (Dumb Terminal) Email Client for System i
I'm late in the thread so forgive what might have already been offered...,
and yeah - I couldn't resist the overall debate.
Give me a command line and a 'dumb' terminal anytime. I can get more done
with a simple interface than can be done with a fancy one.
I can out-type anyone clicking, dragging and dropping. GUI interfaces are
best for those who basically don't know how the system actually works, and
don't know how to talk to it.
The number of times I've re-booted my GUI interface can't be counted. But
I've never had a 5250 session fail unless the host went down. It's too bad
I'm forced to work through windows to get to my 5250 emulation. I'd rather
be directly connected and have less layers between me.
'The best tool for the job' is usually what's forgotten. Do you have an Exec
that likes graphs? Fire up the right tool. Want to get something _really_
done - talk to the computer in it's terms, through the simplest interface
possible. Especially, when it's as stable as the 5250.
I'm looking forward to all the counter responses that think computers
_started_ with Windows and GUI type interfaces. I was programming horizontal
and vertical blank interrupt routines directly into the Rockwell 6502
processor (on the Atari 800) in the 70's and I managed to increase the
system output by approx 20% - and it was all command line. I'd like to see
anyone drag-and-drop that.
I've seen a company throw away a stable supported architecture (5250 IBM) in
favor of a mass of servers and networks and interfaces and laptops. All
that's happened is that that company has more complexity, more problems, and
higher power bills. No real output or performance increase has been
achieved. My compliments to Nathan who pointed out that (again -sorry) the
Best tool for the job is what is always warranted. Get out of your comfort
zone and solitaire playing, and come back to the computer 'real world'.
Best wishes
Jim
p.s Yup, wish I could stay in Linux/Unix too. Someday I'll write my own. It
might even rival SLOTH (special language with one verb - sleep)
Quality means doing the right thing when no one is looking
Henry Ford
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From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Nathan Andelin
Sent: Thursday, 19 March 2009 15:31
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: Green Screen (Dumb Terminal) Email Client for System i
From: John Taylor
I don't want to fork this thread into another 5250 vs GUI debate ...
Too late. The OP asked for a 5250 solution and a bunch of us have already
suggested alternatives ranging from Linux (text based), to browser based
thin clients, to fat (rich) Windows based clients & servers.
I followed up on a few of the links to 5250 based email solutions and found
that they actually offered more than I expected. Address books, mail
folders, automatic word wrap, spell check, attachments, spool files, etc. A
5250 client would be hard pressed to implement drag & drop, but there would
be no problem organizing and maintaining database tables, IFS directories,
and stream files.
If the OP wanted to build his own 5250 interface, there were also links to a
number of relevant articles, and IBM i servers, and open-source solutions
that could be used and integrated.
So it seems to come down to such things as drag & drop and GUI fonts, vs. 25
X 80 text-based screens. I suppose some would argue the merits of local
composition & storage of messages.
Nathan.
midrange.com
