Re: 'green screen' not sellable --> WE(?) are the problem -- MIDRANGE-L

50 is not that old to not be able to learn something new (unless you
decide to feel old)

When I began showing AS/400 (it was long ago) data in the web, others
where complaining that "the important stuff is the Green screen", don't
be playing.
Today nobody wants green screen anymore, web is so much better.

If you decide to move your subfiles to the web, it is very likely that
your experience will be the same, a little resistance to the change at
first, request to change everything to the web after.
As a bonus, after a short learning time, you will be more productive
working with the web.

As a comment: I am 64 and last week I began a class in
https://courses.edx.org/courses/course-v1:W3Cx+W3C-HTML5+2015T3/info
I recommend it, it is free and very good.
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On 06/09/2015 08:06 PM, DrFranken wrote:

Jim,

Here's the thing, it's ATTITUDE and APTITUDE. Just because you wrote
awesome subfile applications doesn't mean you can't move forward. As you
say it may be because of this that you are requested to do more of them.
If you have the Aptitude you can make them even better. Combine that
with an Attitude that allows you to continue to seek to do better. You
may have started by adding links to images or hotspots for the mouse,
later by refacing, even later by switching to a web based interaction
completely. You might not get there on day/week/month one but you keep
suggesting and tweaking and adding. Eventually folks realize that IS the
next best thing and there you go. Now you're the expert in 'Doing
Better' not just the expert in subfiles!

When I say 'Cretins' it's those who THEMSELVES say "I ain't
changing, and even if I tried my employer would stop me so why bother."
They have 'parked it' they are dead to me. I understand that you may not
want to work 12 hours a day 6 or 7 days a week. However you can't work 9
to 5 in a 5 day shop that won't change and then whine that you're out of
date.

- Larry "DrFranken" Bolhuis

www.frankeni.com
www.iDevCloud.com
www.iInTheCloud.com

On 6/8/2015 3:58 PM, Horn, Jim wrote:

I hear what you are saying. We were in a "backward" industry. We kept
looking for the great ap, that would make the company say "this is
what we
want to invest in".

At 50+, after 8+ hours, by yourself, in front of the screen, it is
difficult to work spend your nights working on something that isn't
"real". Something you are doing to learn but provides little or no
interaction with others. I know a number of people on this list can do
it,
but it is not for everyone. There may be "cretins" out there, who do not
want to learn, or push themselves, but not all 8 to 6 ers who keep the
company running, and continue to supply the new functions the company
needs, fall into that category.

Some may be the victims of their own success. Their green screens
were so
good that the programmer wanted to change, but no one else did.

Anyway, please, sympathy for those that may not have the drive or the
resources you do.

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message: 9
date: Mon, 08 Jun 2015 14:55:42 -0400
from: DrFranken <midrange@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: Re: 'green screen' not sellable --> WE(?) are the problem

> "IMHO, this attitude of "IBM i can only do green screen" comes from
> working with programmers who are 20 years behind the times and
> unwilling to try anything new. Fire those people, they are holding
> you back"

ABSOLUTELY! I see it over and over and over. I simply stop dealing with
these cretins. Eventually (hopefully soon) they will be fired from
enough shops that they vanish and we'll get new people with drive, and
ideas, and skills.

It's not an age thing that's merely one indicator. Heck some of the best
educators in this space who teach the truly modern way are older than
many of those who refuse to move out of the 1980s.

These are those of whom I wrote in my blog: "You are denting my
passion."

>
> While there are some that are "unwilling to try anything new", I
> would say there are more that are "unable to try anything new. I
> would blame this more on corporations that refuse to spend the time
> or money to let you learn how to do the new stuff..

While true(ISH) this is again normally because the I.T. manager in these
shops is the anchor! EVEN IF they came from an IBM i (dare I say
"AS/400"?) background and were at the TOP of their game and CURRENT with
the architecture when they were promoted, they STOPPED PROGRESSING that
same second. What was current and best practice THEN suddenly became
that for all time. (Yes Trevor I stole that from you. :-) ) This is the
person in the best position to prod the company into moving forward but
they don't see the need. They haven't progressed why should anyone
else??

> as well as IBM for
> not providing a reasonably priced way for us to have a machine to do
> it on our own (and I know that last point has been beat to death so
> I won't climb on my soapbox).

<vendor>
Stop whining, It's YOUR Career. For $50 a month you can have access. For
$100 you can have your own private partition. Many of you spend more
than that on your Cable or Satellite service!
If your passion is:
Hiking you buy good shoes, yes?
Biking you buy good wheels, tires, and bikes, yes?
Cooking you buy good knives and pans, yes?
Fishing you buy good lures and poles and a BOAT, yes?
IBM i you get access to the new stuff, right?????
So shut up and invest in yourself already!! (Sorry I'm cranky today.)
</vendor>

- Larry "DrFranken" Bolhuis

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