RE: RPG on the Tiobe Index

["Norm Dennis" <nhdennis@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Dead (RPG) Programmers Society :-)

It's ok Tom, you mentioned Solvent Green, Mike made the correction, Soylent
Green.
We picked up on your intent.
I added the links 'cause I liked the movie.

... and it's quiet at the moment :-)

Norm Dennis

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Tom Deskevich
Sent: Sunday, 29 March 2009 12:58 AM
To: RPG programming on the IBM i / System i
Subject: RE: RPG on the Tiobe Index

I apologize for appearing to be off topic, I was just making a joke that all
of us old RPG programmers would be dead some day, and all the propeller
heads of the future would be consuming us, as the sci-fi movie came true.

Tom Deskevich
Infocon Corporation
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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Norm Dennis
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:35 AM
To: 'RPG programming on the IBM i / System i'
Subject: RE: RPG on the Tiobe Index


Dead people!


Norm Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Michael Ryan
Sent: Saturday, 28 March 2009 10:42 PM
To: RPG programming on the IBM i / System i
Subject: Re: RPG on the Tiobe Index

Soylent green is people!

On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 4:51 AM, Norm Dennis <nhdennis@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Soylent Green is ...
>
> 1. Off topic.
> 2. a sci fi movie from 1973.
>   (excellent for it's day)
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070723/
>
>
> Norm Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Michael Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, 28 March 2009 12:32 AM
> To: RPG programming on the IBM i / System i
> Subject: Re: RPG on the Tiobe Index
>
> Soylent green is...
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Tom Deskevich <
> thomas.l.deskevich@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > and when we all become solvent green, some poor college grad that is
> > assigned to legacy code will have to figure out a program that used all
> 99
> > indicators on an calc spec in an RPGII program running in S36EE....
> >
> > Then he will complain at lunch with the senior VB.NET programmers while
> he
> > munches on his solvent green....
> >
> > Almost sounds like a movie....Dilbert could be the star...
> >
> > Tom Deskevich
> > Infocon Corporation
> > Phone 814-472-6066
> > Fax 814-472-5019
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Michael Ryan
> > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:59 AM
> > To: RPG programming on the IBM i / System i
> > Subject: Re: RPG on the Tiobe Index
> >
> >
> > You're experienced. You're not the growth of the language. Neither am I.
> We
> > are the base of the language. And I think that's true for all the
> > languages.
> > Are they all skewed the same way, and book sales (or whatever) only
shows
> > growth and not usage? And if that's true, then I think it would be safe
> to
> > say that those metrics would show the 'health' of the language.
> Eventually,
> > every programmer will retire/quit/die/whatever. The language will only
> life
> > if new people use it.
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Nathan Andelin <nandelin@xxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > > From: Hans Boldt
> > > > And yet by your own admission, you do watch the TIOBE index!
> > > > Why keep track of the numbers if there's no value to it?
> > >
> > > I don't put much stock in indexes that track Internet requests or book
> > > sales.  I write a lot of RPG code.  But I don't search the Internet or
> > buy
> > > books on RPG.  I refer to the IBM manuals or search Midrange Archives.
> >  Is
> > > that just me?
> > >
> > > If IBM were to publish the number of compiler licenses sold each year,
> > I'd
> > > probably watch that.
> > >
> > > > Also, I have argued that RPG is not appropriate for certain tasks,
> > > > such as CGI programming. But I believe you yourself have made
> > > > that point too!
> > >
> > >
> > > CGIDEV2 and other toolkits make RPG a good language for CGI
> programming.
> > >  But on the other hand, CGI is not the best architecture for Web
> > application
> > > development, and IBM doesn't appear to be interested in extending it.
> > >
> > > So, the community is kind of on our own, or using 3rd party
interfaces.
> > In
> > > the past few years, my colleagues and I have deployed hundreds of RPG
> > based
> > > web applications.  And they compete favorably against J2EE, MS .Net,
> and
> > PHP
> > > alternatives.
> > >
> > > Nathan.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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