Re: EGL vs. Java -- WDSCI-L

I totally agree with Aaron.

The last company I worked for are stilling running windows NT with 256 Mb memory. You may think they are cheap but they are working fine without any problem. It is good enough for email, word process and iSeries 5250 emulator. There are 3 costs for moving to WDSC. Hardware & software and Skill set.

IBM is trying to push, but please... don't push too hard. Although I'm familiar with Eclipse, I still have to take time to learn the WDSC. Don't forget that I can only spend my spare time to learn it. Not every company can effort to send the developer to take a 5 days training.

Kevin

----- Original Message ----
From: Aaron Bartell <albartell@xxxxxxxxx>
To: Websphere Development Studio Client for iSeries <wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2008 10:51:51 AM
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] EGL vs. Java

In
my
mind
it
comes
down
to
this:
Why
would
people
still
want
ADTS?
Note
I
am
taking
pricing
out
of
the
picture
for
these
comments.

1)
I
need
it
personally
for
the
times
when
WDSC
bombs
on
me
to
the
point
where
I
need
to
shut
down
and
start
back
up.
2)
I
need
it
on
my
customers
machines
as
many
of
them
don't
have
WDSC
installed
on
their
PC's
(not
enough
horse
power).
3)
When
I
want
to
find
out
about
binding
errors
with
CRTBNDRPG
I
use
PDM.
I
could
of
course
type
it
all
out
on
the
command
line,
but
PDM
get's
me
there
in
3
seconds
vs.
30
seconds.

-
I
can
get
around
#1
if
a
single
user
license
of
ADTS
is
included
with
the
OS.

-
#2
is
addressed
in
two
parts.
If
they
don't
use
WDSC
then
they
will
simply
buy
ADTS
and
for
now
it
sounds
like
it
will
be
a
wash.
If
they
would
like
to
use
WDSC
(RDi)
they
will
have
a
better
chance
now
because
it
requires
much
less
foot
print
on
the
desktop
(can
run
on
512MB
of
memory).
It
appears
IBM
has
a
done
a
good
job
of
trimming
fat
off
the
base
install
and
only
include
what
RPG
coders
need
in
RDi.

-
#3
bothers
me
because
I
don't
have
an
easy
way
to
do
this
through
WDSC
unless
I
start
hacking.

So
really
in
the
end
I
would
vote
for
a
single
no-charge
license
of
ADTS
with
any
new
System
i
purchase.
I
fully
support
them
in
"encouraging"
customers
to
move
to
the
latest
technologies.
But
I
don't
know
if
their
approach
is
good
or
bad
at
this
point
other
than
they
will
catch
a
lot
of
flak.

Aaron
Bartell
http://mowyourlawn.com

-----Original
Message-----
From:
wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
Behalf
Of
Joe
Pluta
Sent:
Friday,
February
01,
2008
10:16
AM
To:
Websphere
Development
Studio
Client
for
iSeries
Subject:
Re:
[WDSCI-L]
EGL
vs.
Java

Nathan
Andelin
wrote:

Joe
Pluta
wrote:

I
went
so
far
as
to
say
they
should
actually
charge
more
for
ADTS
than

for
RDi,
thus
giving
people
an
incentive
to
move
to
the
new
tools
as

they
become
comfortable.

It's
bad
enough
to
milk
one
customer
base
in
order
to
subsidize
another,

but
charging
more
for
ADTS
than
RDi
borders
on
rediculous.

You
should
be
off
of
ADTS.
Period.
No
new
customers
should
ever
have
more
than
one
license
to
ADTS,
and
that
should
be
included
in
the
OS.

I'd
suggest
no
more
than
$100
difference.
The
"charging
more"
would
then
amount
to
something
like
$20
a
seat
a
year.
That
will
be
your
"staying
in
the
past"
tax.

Joe