Re: EGL vs. Java -- WDSCI-L

Sorry, it is 2 day course. I just want to point out that it takes time.

Can I take a RPG course then become a "real" RPG developer? I don't think so. It doesn't mean that the RPG course is useless but to apply what I learn from the RPG course, it takes time.

----- Original Message ----
From: Susan Gantner <Susan.Gantner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Websphere Development Studio Client for iSeries <wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2008 12:32:29 PM
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] EGL vs. Java

Not
every
company
can
effort
to
send
the
developer
to
take
a
5
days
training.

Just
a
small
point
of
clarification
...
I
don't
know
of
anyone
who
takes
anything
like
5
days
to
teach
RSE
-
that
is,
the
parts
of
WDSC
needed
to
replace
ADTS.
IBM's
course
is
2
days,
Jon
Paris
and
I
have
taught
versions
of
our
RSE
course
in
many
timeframes,
from
a
half
day
intro
"Jump
Start"
to
2
days
hands-on
with
screen
designer,
debugger,
etc.
And
I'm
sure
Joe
Pluta
would
be
glad
to
direct
anyone
to
his
self-study
course
which
wouldn't
require
classroom
time
at
all.
I
feel
sure
others
also
teach
RSE
in
similar
timeframes.

I
wouldn't
want
others
on
the
list
to
think
it
requires
a
5
day
course
to
learn
it.

And
if
you
know
Eclipse
already,
I
would
think
you
should
be
able
to
get
started
with
no
formal
training
at
all.

Susan
Gantner

-----Original
Message-----
From:
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[mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
Behalf
Of
Wai
Hung
Kevin
Lau
Sent:
Friday,
February
01,
2008
1:25
PM
To:
Websphere
Development
Studio
Client
for
iSeries
Subject:
Re:
[WDSCI-L]
EGL
vs.
Java

I
totally
agree
with
Aaron.

The
last
company
I
worked
for
are
stilling
running
windows
NT
with
256
Mb
memory.

You
may
think
they
are
cheap
but
they
are
working
fine
without
any
problem.
It
is
good
enough
for
email,
word
process
and
iSeries
5250
emulator.
There
are
3
costs
for
moving
to
WDSC.
Hardware
&
software
and
Skill
set.

IBM
is
trying
to
push,
but
please...
don't
push
too
hard.

Although
I'm
familiar
with
Eclipse,
I
still
have
to
take
time
to
learn
the
WDSC.
Don't
forget
that
I
can
only
spend
my
spare
time
to
learn
it.
Not
every
company
can
effort
to
send
the
developer
to
take
a
5
days
training.

Kevin

-----
Original
Message
----
From:
Aaron
Bartell
<albartell@xxxxxxxxx>
To:
Websphere
Development
Studio
Client
for
iSeries
<wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent:
Friday,
February
1,
2008
10:51:51
AM
Subject:
Re:
[WDSCI-L]
EGL
vs.
Java

In
my
mind
it
comes
down
to
this:
Why
would
people
still
want
ADTS?
Note
I
am
taking
pricing
out
of
the
picture
for
these
comments.

1)
I
need
it
personally
for
the
times
when
WDSC
bombs
on
me
to
the
point
where
I
need
to
shut
down
and
start
back
up.
2)
I
need
it
on
my
customers
machines
as
many
of
them
don't
have
WDSC
installed
on
their
PC's
(not
enough
horse
power).
3)
When
I
want
to
find
out
about
binding
errors
with
CRTBNDRPG
I
use
PDM.
I
could
of
course
type
it
all
out
on
the
command
line,
but
PDM
get's
me
there
in
3
seconds
vs.
30
seconds.

-
I
can
get
around
#1
if
a
single
user
license
of
ADTS
is
included
with
the
OS.

-
#2
is
addressed
in
two
parts.
If
they
don't
use
WDSC
then
they
will
simply
buy
ADTS
and
for
now
it
sounds
like
it
will
be
a
wash.
If
they
would
like
to
use
WDSC
(RDi)
they
will
have
a
better
chance
now
because
it
requires
much
less
foot
print
on
the
desktop
(can
run
on
512MB
of
memory).
It
appears
IBM
has
a
done
a
good
job
of
trimming
fat
off
the
base
install
and
only
include
what
RPG
coders
need
in
RDi.

-
#3
bothers
me
because
I
don't
have
an
easy
way
to
do
this
through
WDSC
unless
I
start
hacking.

So
really
in
the
end
I
would
vote
for
a
single
no-charge
license
of
ADTS
with
any
new
System
i
purchase.
I
fully
support
them
in
"encouraging"
customers
to
move
to
the
latest
technologies.
But
I
don't
know
if
their
approach
is
good
or
bad
at
this
point
other
than
they
will
catch
a
lot
of
flak.

Aaron
Bartell
http://mowyourlawn.com

-----Original
Message-----
From:
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[mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
Behalf
Of
Joe
Pluta
Sent:
Friday,
February
01,
2008
10:16
AM
To:
Websphere
Development
Studio
Client
for
iSeries
Subject:
Re:
[WDSCI-L]
EGL
vs.
Java

Nathan
Andelin
wrote:

Joe
Pluta
wrote:

I
went
so
far
as
to
say
they
should
actually
charge
more
for
ADTS
than

for
RDi,
thus
giving
people
an
incentive
to
move
to
the
new
tools
as

they
become
comfortable.

It's
bad
enough
to
milk
one
customer
base
in
order
to
subsidize
another,

but
charging
more
for
ADTS
than
RDi
borders
on
rediculous.

You
should
be
off
of
ADTS.
Period.
No
new
customers
should
ever
have
more
than
one
license
to
ADTS,
and
that
should
be
included
in
the
OS.

I'd
suggest
no
more
than
$100
difference.
The
"charging
more"
would
then
amount
to
something
like
$20
a
seat
a
year.
That
will
be
your
"staying
in
the
past"
tax.

Joe