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I normally just monitor this list on the Archives, but I felt compelled to subscribe so I can post a response on this Struts question. Joe, some of your responses show that you do not really know what Struts is. Struts is NOT the set of JSP tag libraries that come with the distribution. Those tag libraries are provided as a convenience with the Struts distribution and the developers have always gone out of their way to inform users that development of those tag libraries are dead and that you should move to other libraries like JSTL and eventually JSF. So what is Struts? Struts is the ActionController servlet that provides the controller framework in an MVC or JSP Model II architecture. It provides the glue, and more importantly the separation, in the form of its XML configuration files, between your Model code and your View. You can use hand-coded JSP and scriplets, you can use JSP with any tag libraries, you can use JSF or you can use something altogether different like Velocity. The tag libraries that came with Struts were always there just to help people avoid falling into the trap of coding scriplets that do more than just presentation. You can use many, if not all of the Struts tag libraries in a JSP that isn't even using the Struts controller framework. The same is true of Tiles. It is a technology that was developed independent of Struts. Since a lot of Struts users were using both together in their projects it was simply decided to add it to the Struts distribution and encourage its usage. Struts will not be right for every project and if you choose not to use it that is fine. Even the Struts developers concede that it is not the perfect framework. The main reason I chose to use Struts is that it provides a framework to cleanly separate my code. It allowed me to easily develop a "Model" that can be used in any Java application, regardless of whether Struts is involved. Likewise, if the need arises, it is also very easy with Struts for me to take my view, developed in JSP with tag libraries, and swap in another technology, perhaps JSF, that provides more benefits. Articles like this one show that none of these technologies are dying, they are evolving so that they can specialize in the area they want to focus on. In the case of Struts, that is providing a Controller framework for browser-based applications. http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/java/library/j-integrate/?Open&ca=daw-co-news web400@xxxxxxxxxxxx Mark PS - Besides the tag libraries, there are a number of web technologies that were developed along side Struts and are included in the distribution: commons-validator allows you to define validation routines, such as saying a field is all upper case, or numeric only, or a date. This can cause JavaScript to automatically be included in your JSP, but also a second server-side validation to occur. commons-pool/dbcp provides object and database pooling. commons-logging provides a logging framework. You can plug in log4j, or Java 1.4 logging or write your own. I wrote a simple one on iSeries that puts log messages in the joblog of the job. All of these are included with Struts but can be used independently of the Struts Controller as well.
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