RE: [WEB400] IBM Bets PHP Is Open Source's Next Big Thing

["Bartell, Aaron L." <ALBartell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Note that PHP is only as embedded in your page as you like. You can use
products like http://smarty.php.net/ that accomplish basically the same
thing as CGIDev2 or the xTools product.  I am really liking the browser
UI components that JavaServer Faces is bringing to the JSP world.  Makes
development of pages much faster and it takes care of the ugly stuff for
you (setting and getting information from your java objects for
instance). When you have a spare week take a look at JSF. A lot going on
in the spec, but it makes sense (and has hints of RPG - it has a defined
cycle :-)

I am in agreement with Joe.  PC's are darn cheap these days.  I just
bought a NIB Dell 3.0Ghz 512MB 80GB box for my dad off eBay for $495 (no
monitor). Can't beat that price.  If you are looking for a tool that
works good with PHP there is Zend's IDE which I have and it is pretty
decent.  There are also plugins for eclipse, but I am not a big fan of
those because development wasn't as easy as Zend.

Just some tidbits I guess,
Aaron Bartell 

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Aaron,
When did PHP materialize in general use? I remember Net.Data be offered
by IBM what seems like 10 years ago. 
I agree with what you've said, but in general I am NOT a fan of
embedding HTML with the scripting language. I don't like the tools out
there and their support (or lack there of) for things like
JSP/PHP/Net.Data. 
And when I say "tools" I don't mean the biggest resource hog on the
market.
I mean the small and fast tools that get the job done for you.
For this reason, I'm sticking with the CGI approach for now--using RPG
xTools CGILIB (which is just a free add-on and similar to CGIDEV2). 
Without a CGILIB API programming CGI RPG IV can be nearly as tedious as
a Net.Data scripting language. So if it were pure OS/400 CGI APIs with
RPG IV vs. a JSP or PHP-like scripting language, I'd have to say that
I'd probably move towards the scripting language of course.

-Bob Cozzi


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On Behalf Of Bartell, Aaron L.
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 9:07 AM
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: RE: [WEB400] IBM Bets PHP Is Open Source's Next Big Thing

I have done both PHP and RPG and would say that PHP is much easier to
program and caters much more towards web development (it was built for
it and is still being modified to meet that need). Of course RPG still
has some things on PHP because of it's DB access, but other than that
there isn't much else it has on PHP.

IMO they should have gone with PHP from the get go rather than pursue
net.data.  Going this route kinda says a lot with how much IBM has been
teaching it's customers about Java.  With the advent of JSF, Java web
development is much easier and is a better direction to go if you are
developing serious web apps for your company. Note that I am still not
sold on WAS and rather use Tomcat, probably  mostly because WAS doesn't
give me anything extra that Tomcat doesn't offer (ie I don't use EJB's)

Aaron Bartell




-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 7:26 AM
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Subject: Re: [WEB400] IBM Bets PHP Is Open Source's Next Big Thing

*shudder*

Anything to get folks away from RPG I guess.  :)  But why PHP over Perl
I quander...  And what ever happened to net.data?

Brad

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