Hi Jim;
Thanks for your input;
Niels, as somebody that is already working with IceBreak I think if there
is an open source version it should be limited to 1 server instance and it
must be *DEVELOP <<
The problem with that is any smart guy would find that "blocking" part of
the code - make the change. And now the "hacked" version is more valuable.
Best regards
Niels Liisberg
IceBreak Chief SW Architect
System & Metode Technologies
Håndværkersvinget 8, DK-2970 Hørsholm
Phone: +45 70 20 36 10
Fax: +45 70 20 30 11
Direct: +45 45 177 055
Mobile: +45 31 158 861
E-mail: nli@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Web: www.system-method.com and www.Icebreak.org
-----Original Message-----
From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of jim t
Sent: 12. juni 2008 21:49
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: [WEB400] Thinking out loud about a new RPG web framework
Niels, as somebody that is already working with IceBreak I think if there is
an open source version it should be limited to 1 server instance and it must
be *DEVELOP. If IceBreak were my company I would not allow *PROD in the open
source version, this way any end user company with auditors would insist on
upgrading to a full license so they could lock down their applications.
Jim T
----- Original Message ----
From: Niels Liisberg <liisberg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries <web400@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 11:39:03 AM
Subject: Re: [WEB400] Thinking out loud about a new RPG web framework
Gents;
Thanks for your input regarding the open-IceBreak.
I have just had a meeting with the board of directors here at S&M. The
conclusion so far is listed below. I'll like to here your comments:
1) There will be an open source and free distribution of IceBreak.
2) There will be an optional support/service contract with a fee.
(silver/gold/platinum style).
4) Business partners College, universities can obtain a free support/service
contract.
3) The source will be available only for registered individuals with a valid
platinum support contract.
5) The open source licence will be based on the Apache License version 2.0
http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0
6) Contributors have to sing an ICLA (Individual Contributor License
Agreement) like:
http://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.txt
6) Contributors will receive a user-profile / password to a system i where
the source is available in a "sandbox". Accessible under source versioning
control from RSE.
7) Contributors will be able to produce individual new build at will.
8) Contributions will be available in later G.A. versions of IceBreak
.... How dos that sound ?
Best regards
Niels Liisberg
IceBreak Chief SW Architect
System & Metode Technologies
Håndværkersvinget 8, DK-2970 Hørsholm
Phone: +45 70 20 36 10
Fax: +45 70 20 30 11
Direct: +45 45 177 055
Mobile: +45 31 158 861
E-mail: nli@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Web: www.system-method.com and www.Icebreak.org
-----Original Message-----
From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Aaron Bartell
Sent: 11. juni 2008 15:57
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: [WEB400] Thinking out loud about a new RPG web framework
However, it requires that we can come up with another way to drive our
revenue. If you have any suggestions we will appreciate it.
This is the same question my employer posed to me in my ambitions of
creating an opensource/free RPG centric GUI. I had a conversation with Mark
Phippard (instant messaging rather :-) who now works for Collabnet to ask
some questions on where somebody should start in regards to having open
source software and monetizing on it. He gave me a couple URL's you may be
interested in:
http://www.cnet.com/openroad/
http://producingoss.com/ (an entire book. take a look at chapter 5)
Then there are approaches like SugarCRM where there is a free base-level
framework and an Enterprise version with many more features. The Enterprise
version requires you to get out your checkbook and is NOT open source, but
many companies are more than willing to do that for a fair price and for a
reoccurring maint fee.
You could also start making money with one-off widgets. Just take a look at
SDTimes (trade rag) and note the many companies selling chart creation
runtimes and custom/cool-looking UI widgets.
That would be the other approach to monetize it is to continue selling maint
which I can guarantee people would purchase simply because if they are
basing their core business on a framework, they need to make sure any issues
can be solved in short order by making a call and getting an answer within a
few minutes/hours. What open source gets you in this case is free entry
into hundreds (thousands?) more companies than before that *might*
eventually buy the enterprise version and *might* buy support. Obviously
the hope would be that the higher numbers of shops using it with paid
support would offset the sales gotten previously. Note also your sales
personnel would be less taxed because the evaluation of the software would
have most likely already been done with the open source version.
Going back to open source... you would obviously want to have a public SVN
repository where developers (like myself) could enhance the base offering by
fixing bugs, bettering the programmer experience, bettering the debugging
experience, etc. And because of the license agreement any changes made to
the base software are required to be submitted back to the project and then
the owner of the project gets to determine if it should in fact be added to
the base code set.
Those are my initial thoughts. Hope they are helpful. BTW, if you need
pilot companies to test out this approach I have a solid handful of
recommendations I can give you offline that are current customers of mine.
There are a lot of RPG shops out there looking for the *right* modernization
strategy, and if the entry cost is free and open then I am all over that
recommendation.
Aaron Bartell
http://mowyourlawn.com
midrange.com
