Re: Truly later thinking...Honey, grab me another beer

[Joe Pluta <joepluta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Mike Eovino wrote:
> Just curious, who is telling you this?
Do you read the lists, Mike?  There are vocal members of this list who 
insist that Java is too difficult.  Jon Paris, for example, is on record 
saying that he "can't get his head around" Java.  Me, I've been fighting 
FOR Java uptake for years, and I have clients happily using it.

> Our office is down the street
> from Virginia Commonwealth University, and they turn out all the
> green-haired Java programmers we can eat.
Nothing wrong with that.  Personally (and this is my personal 
preference) I like RPG better for business logic and Java for 
middleware.  I'm not sure what your mix is nor what your strategic 
direction is, but there's nothing saying that Java young'uns and RPG 
programmers can't get along.

> As for moving RPG
> programmers, I find they are in two camps.  Programmers that have
> embraced concepts like ILE procedures have really taken to Java (HTML
> is actually the harder nut to crack for them).  Programmers that are
> still writing monolithic RPG applications and still doing things the
> same way they have for the last 20 years, well, what can you say?
>   
Well, there will always be programmers who don't make the move to OO.  
It has nothing to do with RPG; I taught Java classes in a technical 
school.  That doesn't surprise me, nobody is good at everything - I'm 
not very good with cars.  That's one reason I like EGL - it makes Java 
EE accessible to procedural programmers.  But I am sorely disappointed 
at the "experts" in the i community who slam the various Java-based  
technologies.

The anti-Java bias is clear on these lists, and the anti-EGL bias even 
clearer.  It's been noticed in the broader community.

Joe