>Another good point. But why is the web _nothing_ like that? Can't we as
   web application developers do something about that? Don't we control the
   design of our applications?
   Nathan, I realize that you are trying to look at this from different
   angles and play a little bit of devils advocate, but now you are changing
   the playing field.  The comments being made are based on what is available
   *today* and not what we *could* create someday down the road.
   Portal pages are getting closer and closer to giving me a one-stop-shop
   for all my information (i.e. iGoogle home page), but I would have to agree
   with Walden that it just isn't there yet.  The only thing relating to
   forums and email threads that is better in the browser than on a "thicker
   client" is GMails approach to combining a thread into a single inbox
   entry.  Outside of that the browser apps are still playing catchup IMO and
   have quite a long way to go. 
   With all of that said do you still believe that forums are as solid as a
   "catch all communications" thick client on the desktop?  I am in full
   agreement that forums suck - I barely participate in them except for when
   I need something real bad. 
   Aaron Bartell
   
http://mowyourlawn.com
   Nathan Andelin wrote:
 From: Walden
 Are you kidding me?
    
 No, I'm not kidding - just coming at this from a different angle.
  
 I'm in Outlook all day long. I've got a bunch of folders, I can
 see a view of Midrange, SQLServer, .Net, IRB, 21CFR11, etc.
 All from one spot.
    
 Ah, Yes.  Like David said, email [and a mail client] is the lowest common denominator.  You subscribe to a number of different lists from a number of different sources, but they're all available from one client.
  
 Oh, and it's the same spot I get "real" work done w/clients
 and vendors. The web is _nothing_ like that.
    
 Another good point.  But why is the web _nothing_ like that?  Can't we as web application developers do something about that?  Don't we control the design of our applications?
 Well, in the case of EGL and RPG Cafes, it appears that IBM didn't take much thought except to look at few content management systems, and pick one for their content.
  
 I (the human being) have to open numerous sites,
 click through numerous pages and then I get a bunch of
 fluff and pretty colors ...
    
 I don't like that either.  And it kind-of gets back to the root of the problem for publisher sites like "Cafe".  The site exists primarily as a marketing vehicle for publishers and advertisers.  The forums are a way to attract readers.  IBM is the sponsoring advertiser in this case.
  
 I can (obviously) only speak for myself. But I will not partake
 in a web-based forum, take _way_ too much time.
    
 Same here, essentially.  But bringing this back to my intended focus [web application development], what does it take to pry Outlook and Thunderbird out of user's hands, and get them to select a Web application instead.  As evidenced in this thread, it will take more than "brochure-ware".
 Nathan.
      
  
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