Re: The ASF Resigns From the JCP Executive Committee

[TAllen@xxxxxxxxxxxx]

Aaron,

Server side debugging could not be any easier with Java in Eclipse or
Rational/Websphere Studio.  Simply start the server is debug mode, set your
breakpoints and off you go.
(I hope I have not misunderstood what you were saying below.)

Thanks,
Todd Allen
EDPS
Electronic Data Processing Services
tallen@xxxxxxxxxxxx



                                                                           
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What are the primary reasons you consider PHP not enterprise ready?

It's not that I don't like Java or PHP, but there are things I prefer in
the
RPG stack.  For example, server-side step-thru debugging is just easier to
me with RPG.  I am not even sure if it can be done yet in Java, but I know
that PHP has something (though I haven't tried it lately, so it is probably
better than it was a few years back when I tried it).

I think the main issue I have with somebody calling something enterprise
ready or not is that many times it is relative.  For example, you can run
an
enterprise on .NET if you add enough failsafes. The same is true for any
language, including RPG - some stacks just require less failsafes.

So it is obvious that PHP *can* be run in an enterprise environment, but
what are the things that cause PHP in the enterprise to leave a bad taste
in
your mouth.  Or rather, what should they fix before you would pursue it.

On the other note that is floating around in this thread - I am in the camp
that don't consider Java that hard - though I steer clear from many of the
more complex areas of the language and many times consider myself a
"modular
Java programmer".  I think it is more that there are so many things to
learn
vs. the concepts being hard.  Coming from RPG, we just didn't have to be
mindful of very many things.  Database connection pool - what's that? :-)

Aaron Bartell
www.MowYourLawn.com/blog
www.OpenRPGUI.com
www.SoftwareSavesLives.com



On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Joe Pluta
<joepluta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

> On 12/14/2010 12:16 AM, Mike Pavlak wrote:
> > Well, Joe, we'll have to agree to disagree.  I see PHP as a VERY
> Enterprise oriented language.
>
> I'm not sure how many enterprise applications you've designed, Mike, but
> PHP is not a language I'd use to write any business logic in.  If you
> recommend it for, say, MRP processing, then you are either very, very
> wrong or a salesman.  PHP as a front end to RPG, perhaps, but then
> you've learned two languages to do one thing: present business logic to
> the web.  Anyway, we've been over this ground already.  We all know you
> work for Zend and everybody knows what I advocate, so our opinions are
> already pretty much Open Source.  :)





 
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