Re: The ASF Resigns From the JCP Executive Committee

[Aaron Bartell <aaronbartell@xxxxxxxxx>]

So does that mean I have to stop the server and restart it?  I wouldn't
think that is an acceptable practice in a production environment.

Also, do you have a link you can point me to that describes this?  Note I am
very familiar with debugging with the server when the server is on my PC
(works excellently).  It's when the server is a separate production machine
that I haven't seen seamless ways to do server side debugging.

Aaron Bartell
www.MowYourLawn.com/blog
www.OpenRPGUI.com
www.SoftwareSavesLives.com



On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 8:48 AM, <TAllen@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Aaron,
>
> Server side debugging could not be any easier with Java in Eclipse or
> Rational/Websphere Studio.  Simply start the server is debug mode, set your
> breakpoints and off you go.
> (I hope I have not misunderstood what you were saying below.)
>
> Thanks,
> Todd Allen
> EDPS
> Electronic Data Processing Services
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> What are the primary reasons you consider PHP not enterprise ready?
>
> It's not that I don't like Java or PHP, but there are things I prefer in
> the
> RPG stack.  For example, server-side step-thru debugging is just easier to
> me with RPG.  I am not even sure if it can be done yet in Java, but I know
> that PHP has something (though I haven't tried it lately, so it is probably
> better than it was a few years back when I tried it).
>
> I think the main issue I have with somebody calling something enterprise
> ready or not is that many times it is relative.  For example, you can run
> an
> enterprise on .NET if you add enough failsafes. The same is true for any
> language, including RPG - some stacks just require less failsafes.
>
> So it is obvious that PHP *can* be run in an enterprise environment, but
> what are the things that cause PHP in the enterprise to leave a bad taste
> in
> your mouth.  Or rather, what should they fix before you would pursue it.
>
> On the other note that is floating around in this thread - I am in the camp
> that don't consider Java that hard - though I steer clear from many of the
> more complex areas of the language and many times consider myself a
> "modular
> Java programmer".  I think it is more that there are so many things to
> learn
> vs. the concepts being hard.  Coming from RPG, we just didn't have to be
> mindful of very many things.  Database connection pool - what's that? :-)
>
> Aaron Bartell
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> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Joe Pluta
> <joepluta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
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> > On 12/14/2010 12:16 AM, Mike Pavlak wrote:
> > > Well, Joe, we'll have to agree to disagree.  I see PHP as a VERY
> > Enterprise oriented language.
> >
> > I'm not sure how many enterprise applications you've designed, Mike, but
> > PHP is not a language I'd use to write any business logic in.  If you
> > recommend it for, say, MRP processing, then you are either very, very
> > wrong or a salesman.  PHP as a front end to RPG, perhaps, but then
> > you've learned two languages to do one thing: present business logic to
> > the web.  Anyway, we've been over this ground already.  We all know you
> > work for Zend and everybody knows what I advocate, so our opinions are
> > already pretty much Open Source.  :)
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