Re: Does the eRPG SDK template system support JSON? -- WEB400

Jon,

No you explained that you'd have to define a X(10) field and move 'AB' to
it.  :)

So if the caller is expecting X(10), to pass a literal AB, you'd have to
pass 'AB        '...which is what I asked a few posts ago.

Surprised IBM hasn't added some sort of prototyping functionality to the
linkage section.

Wonder if z/OS COBOL is any different...

Charles





On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Jon Paris <jon.paris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> Thought I’d already explained that Charles but …
>
> In RPG I would code the parm as (say) 10a Const. If I do that then passing
> a literal of ‘A’ or ‘AB’ or … will result in a 10 character field being
> passed with blanks in the back end.
>
> In COBOL coding by CONTENT ‘A’  would pass a one character parm.   by
> CONTENT ‘AB’ would pass a two character parm and so-on.  If the called
> routine expects a 10 character parm then this is a problem.
>
>
> Jon Paris
>
> www.partner400.com
> www.SystemiDeveloper.com
>
> On May 13, 2015, at 5:32 AM, Charles Wilt <charles.wilt@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Jon,
> >
> > So what happens here?
> >
> >
> https://www-01.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/ssw_ibm_i_72/rzase/passing.htm
> > If you want to pass a literal value to a called program, specify:
> >
> > CALL…BY CONTENT literal
> >
> >
> > Charles
> >
> >
> > On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 1:03 AM, Jon Paris <jon.paris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> >> In RPG IV if the Proto says 10a Const (or Value for that matter) and you
> >> pass ‘A’ then the compiler creates a 10a area, copies the data to it
> (i.e.
> >> ‘A         ‘) and then passes the temp.
> >>
> >> In COBOL I would have to define an X(10) field, move ‘A’ into it and
> then
> >> pass that.
> >>
> >>
> >> Jon Paris
> >>
> >> www.partner400.com
> >> www.SystemiDeveloper.com
> >>
> >> On May 12, 2015, at 7:36 PM, Charles Wilt <charles.wilt@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Brad said something (that I interpreted) to that effect.
> >>>
> >>> How can you have a field the same length if you can pass a literal?
> >>>
> >>> If the parm is 10A, and you want to pass 'HI' to you have to pass 'HI
> >>> '?
> >>>
> >>> I've never used COBOL on the i, but my first paid language was
> >> COBOL...so I
> >>> was curious enough to glance through than ILE COBOL manuals :)
> >>>
> >>> Charles
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 9:55 PM, Jon Paris <jon.paris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Nobody said it did Charles.
> >>>>
> >>>> I just said it was harder in COBOL because the compiler doesn’t do any
> >>>> work for you.  Even BY CONTENT is not the same because the field
> passed
> >>>> still has to have the correct length and data type.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Jon Paris
> >>>>
> >>>> www.partner400.com
> >>>> www.SystemiDeveloper.com
> >>>>
> >>>> On May 12, 2015, at 5:07 PM, Charles Wilt <charles.wilt@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Just for the archive...the link Brad provided to a post by Bruce has:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "If your RPG procedure prototypes a parameter as VALUE you’ll use BY
> >>>> VALUE
> >>>>> in COBOL. If the prototype has CONST you’ll use BY CONTENT. And if
> >>>> neither
> >>>>> VALUE or CONST, use BY REFERENCE. GIVING identifies the procedures
> >> RETURN
> >>>>> value."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The programmers guide shows:
> >>>>> CALL…BY CONTENT identifier
> >>>>> CALL…BY CONTENT literal
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm a little confused by this statement in the language reference
> >>>> regarding
> >>>>> BY CONTENT Phrase - "The number of characters in each parameter must
> be
> >>>>> equal; however, the data descriptions need not be the same."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Also seems that COBOL supports omittable parms also.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So I don't see any indication that CONST on an RPG param prevents
> >> calling
> >>>>> by COBOL.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Charles
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:58 PM, Bradley Stone <bvstone@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I wondered the same thing, Henrick.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I haven't done COBOL since the 90s but a search shows this answer
> from
> >>>>>> Bruce Vinning:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/itanswers/calling-rpg-proc-from-cobol-ile/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I guess I just assumed that with ILE things worked as ILE... If
> CONST
> >>>> ruins
> >>>>>> that relationship maybe it should be more "publicized".  :)  I plan
> >> too
> >>>>>> look further into this issue that's for sure as it's the first I've
> >>>> heard
> >>>>>> of it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Brad
> >>>>>> www.bvstools.com
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:03 AM, Henrik Rützou <hr@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I know nothing about COBOL interface to RPG service programs, what
> is
> >>>>>>> the difference (besides the /copybook) ?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 5:04 AM, Kelly Cookson <
> >> KCookson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks Jon. There are a number of tools for mobile development on
> >> the
> >>>>>> IBM
> >>>>>>>> i.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> However, our shop has decided to develop mobile client interfaces
> >>>> using
> >>>>>>>> responsive web sites and hybrid apps (Cordorva/PhoneGap). This is
> >>>>>> because
> >>>>>>>> all of our current mobile developers are coming from a background
> of
> >>>>>>>> Microsoft .NET web development. Our shop has spent years
> developing
> >>>>>>>> websites that connect to the IBM i using web services written in
> >> .NET
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> using the .NET Data Provider.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> For our IBM i COBOL developers (including myself) to become web
> and
> >>>>>>> mobile
> >>>>>>>> developers, we will have to use HTML5, CSS3, JavaScript, AJAX,
> JSON
> >>>> and
> >>>>>>>> Cordova/PhoneGap to develop client interfaces. I was hoping to use
> >>>>>>> Node.JS
> >>>>>>>> on the IBM i to give our COBOL developers a path to web services
> >>>>>> without
> >>>>>>>> having to learn .NET. Node.JS isn't going to work for us at this
> >> time.
> >>>>>>> But
> >>>>>>>> we can: (a) use our shop's standard technologies to develop web
> and
> >>>>>>> mobile
> >>>>>>>> client interfaces, and (b) hook up the client interfaces to web
> >>>>>> services
> >>>>>>>> developed with COBOL CGI programs. This gets our IBM i COBOL
> >>>> developers
> >>>>>>>> into web and mobile development without having to learn .NET, and
> it
> >>>>>>>> leverages our existing expertise in COBOL.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I have designed an architecture for CGI programming on the IBM i
> >> that
> >>>>>>>> conforms to REST architectural constraints as described in
> >> Fielding's
> >>>>>>>> dissertation. I am now gathering information on tools available to
> >>>> help
> >>>>>>> us
> >>>>>>>> with the COBOL CGI programming. Next step, proof of concepts...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>> Kelly
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>> From: WEB400 [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Jon
> >>>>>> Paris
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2015 9:36 PM
> >>>>>>>> To: Web400@Midrange. Web400
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WEB400] Does the eRPG SDK template system support
> >> JSON?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> For Mobile development with COBOL you should really take a look at
> >>>>>>> Lansa's
> >>>>>>>> LongRange http://www.longrangemobile.com
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I know that works pretty well with COBOL because I helped
> translate
> >> a
> >>>>>> few
> >>>>>>>> of the RPG examples into COBOL.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Jon Paris
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> www.partner400.com
> >>>>>>>> www.SystemiDeveloper.com
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On May 10, 2015, at 8:00 PM, Kelly Cookson <KCookson@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I will look for the template system in CGICBLDEV2 when I get it
> >>>>>>>> installed and start playing around with it.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I literally just started looking at CGI tools. I recently learned
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>> our shop will not be adopting Node.JS on the IBM i at any time in
> >> the
> >>>>>>>>> foreseeable future. Kind of a bummer. But the same reasons for
> not
> >>>>>>>>> adopting Node.JS make CGI using COBOL programs an attractive
> >>>>>>>>> alternative. (Every shop is different, and I'm sure Node.JS will
> >> work
> >>>>>>>>> wonderfully for a lot of shops. It's just not a good fit for us
> at
> >>>>>>>>> this time.)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I'm still committed to helping our IBM i COBOL developers become
> >> web
> >>>>>>>>> and mobile developers as well. ;-)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>> Kelly
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>> From: WEB400 [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Jon
> >>>>>>>>> Paris
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2015 7:30 PM
> >>>>>>>>> To: Web400@Midrange. Web400
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WEB400] Does the eRPG SDK template system support
> >> JSON?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> CGICBLDEV2 uses a template system too Kelly.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Jon Paris
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> www.partner400.com
> >>>>>>>>> www.SystemiDeveloper.com
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On May 10, 2015, at 12:55 PM, Kelly Cookson
> <KCookson@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks Jon. I am looking at CGICBLDEV2 as well. And I'm looking
> at
> >>>>>>>> other solutions such as the CGI interface to XMLSERVICE and
> iWebSrv.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The thing I like about eRPG SDK is the use of a template system
> to
> >>>>>>>> format data for return to the client. This seems to me a
> potentially
> >>>>>>>> intuitive way for developers who only do COBOL and DDS to deal
> with
> >>>>>>>> returning JSON data. Still, I am also looking at other options for
> >>>> JSON
> >>>>>>>> with COBOL (YAJL, PowerEXT, Redvers COBOL JSPN Interface).
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The client interfaces we develop will using jQuery AJAX to make
> >> GET
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> POST requests, and they will be expecting data formatted in JSON
> as
> >>>> the
> >>>>>>>> response. By keep the contract between the client and the web
> >> service
> >>>>>>>> uniform (AJAX GET and POST requests, JSON responses) we can
> develop
> >>>>>>> client
> >>>>>>>> interfaces that can easily switch between IBM i back ends and
> >> Windows
> >>>>>>> back
> >>>>>>>> ends. We just need to point the client to a new URL to switch back
> >>>>>> ends.
> >>>>>>>> This is one of the benefits of the uniform interface constraint of
> >>>>>>> RESTful
> >>>>>>>> architecture.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>> Kelly
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>> From: WEB400 [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> >> Jon
> >>>>>>>>>> Paris
> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2015 10:23 AM
> >>>>>>>>>> To: Web400@Midrange. Web400
> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WEB400] Does the eRPG SDK template system support
> >>>>>> JSON?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Kelly,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> You might want to also look at the COBOL interfaces for CGIDEV2
> (
> >>>>>>>> http://www.easy400.net/cgicbldev2p/start.pgm).
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> No disrespect to Brad's eRPG but some RPG-oriented interfaces
> can
> >> be
> >>>>>>>> very difficult to use in COBOL. Reason, in part, is that such
> >> routines
> >>>>>>> tend
> >>>>>>>> to take advantage of the facilities offered by prototypes - for
> >>>> example
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> keyword CONST allows you to specify a literal instead of a
> variable.
> >>>>>>> COBOL
> >>>>>>>> has no such option and therefore the fields usually need to be
> >> passed
> >>>>>>>> exactly as specified in the called routine. That usually requires
> >>>>>> quite a
> >>>>>>>> bit more work and makes the examples hard to follow.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Giovanni has already done the grunt work and provided documented
> >>>>>>> native
> >>>>>>>> COBOL interfaces to CGIDEV2 routines that make it much easier.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Just a thought.  Unless Brad has added a lot of new stuff to
> eRPG
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>> I am unaware of, I think that the capabilities of CGIDEV2 are a
> >> close
> >>>>>>> match.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Jon Paris
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> www.partner400.com
> >>>>>>>>>> www.SystemiDeveloper.com
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On May 10, 2015, at 10:46 AM, Kelly Cookson
> <KCookson@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Brad.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I assume I wouldn't have any problems implementing this in ILE
> >>>>>> COBOL.
> >>>>>>>> I've seen several tutorial examples of creating JSON in RPG, which
> >> is
> >>>>>>> made
> >>>>>>>> easier by built-in functions (like trim) and by  the new +=
> >> assignment
> >>>>>>>> operator. Unfortunately, RPG is not a standard language in our
> shop.
> >>>> So
> >>>>>>> I'd
> >>>>>>>> need to use eRPG SDK in ILE COBOL.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>> Kelly
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>> From: WEB400 [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> >>>>>>>>>>> Bradley Stone
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2015 8:10 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>> To: Web Enabling the IBM i (AS/400 and iSeries)
> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WEB400] Does the eRPG SDK template system support
> >>>>>> JSON?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Kelly.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> The eRPG SDK is a template designed system, so if you create
> JSON
> >>>>>>>> templates the eRPG SDK would work the same as if it was using XML,
> >>>>>> HTML,
> >>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>> pretty much anything else.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't know what type of data you're creating using the
> >>>>>>>>>>> templates and replacement variables.  :)
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Brad
> >>>>>>>>>>> www.bvstools.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 2:15 AM, Kelly Cookson
> >>>>>>>>>>> <KCookson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Suppose I want to develop a CGI program in ILE COBOL using
> eRPG
> >>>>>> SDK.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Can the ILE COBOL program read a DB2 table and use the eRPG
> SDK
> >>>>>>>>>>>> template system to return a JSON string?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kelly Cookson
> >>>>>>>>>>>> IT Project Leader
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dot Foods, Inc.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1.217.773.4486 ext. 12676
> >>>>>>>>>>>> kcookson@xxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:kcookson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
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