|
Oh, and it also uses web sockets to communicate with the nodeJS server as
well as HTTP.
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From: WEB400 [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kevin
Turner
Sent: 12 July 2015 10:03
To: Web Enabling the IBM i (AS/400 and iSeries)
Subject: [WEB400] The responsive web site debate
"How would Bootstrap be an improvement?"
I didn't really see an answer to this question, and as I had no real
practical experience of bootstrap I decided to have a go at a prototype
that used it so that I can judge for myself. This topic is not really
anything to do with the IBMi platform, it is more to do with general web
design and tooling - perhaps WEB400 is not the right forum?
Anyway, one of the things we want to do pretty soon is have a platform
agnostic solution - something that we can run on the IBMi and any other
platform (Unix, Windows) if it is appropriate. So as well as trying out
something that used bootstrap, I also wanted to try something that used a
nodeJS server solution rather than Apache. While I was at it, I might as
well get some practical experience of Angular as well, so that I can really
compare it with our own Renaissance 6 Framework.
So this is the opposite end of the spectrum. Nathan is rather "anti"
frameworks and libraries as they can be allegedly over scoped. This little
prototype at http://kpturner.co.uk:1337 will therefore fill him with
horror, because I have used Angular, Bootstrap, JQuery and a NodeJS server
- all glued together with a Framework called Sails (sailsjs.org). I
haven't created any documentation for it at the moment - it is just a proof
of concept really so that I can get to understand what all these libraries
have to offer. However, the source can be viewed on github (
https://github.com/kpturner/sails_events). As an aside, we are now
using Git on our IBMi to manage all our source code, RPGLE etc included.
I haven't reached any hard and fast conclusions yet. I have had plenty of
problems trying to fathom out the best way to do things, mainly due to my
lack of experience in the tools/libraries. I would definitely consider
using bootstrap in Renaissance, but Angular (so far) I find less intuitive
than our own offering (no surprise there then). What really is exciting
(can't believe I am using that word in this context) is the use of nodeJS
as the server platform. JavaScript is by far my favourite language, so
being able to write the server-side code in JavaScript is liberating. I can
debug using node-inspector, and have access to all those node goodies
(node-machines included).
The only fly in the ointment so far, with regard to running it on the
IBMi, is the database access. This prototype uses MySQL. The SailsJS
framework uses an ORM called Waterline that provides an integration layer
to lots of different databases, but DB2 isn't one of them. That is a hole
that I intend to fill one way or another.
Anyway, I thought I would share my experiences as well as making Nathan
feel nauseous :)
Kevin
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From: WEB400 [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Nathan
Andelin
Sent: 07 July 2015 20:07
To: Web Enabling the IBM i (AS/400 and iSeries)
Subject: Re: [WEB400] 7 lessons from my first responsive web site
Aaron,
Yes, I've already read about Bootstrap's "grid" options and played with
them on one project. But I'd like to hear about some practical examples of
people using them, to better understand what might be entailed. My
understanding, which is admittedly limited, is that developers may select
from "extra small", "small", and "large" CSS classes for HTML elements. CSS
Class names indicate whether they are targeted for use with various screen
sizes. But what is "responsive" about that? What about GUI elements that
automatically adapt to screen sizes?
Kelly's site demonstrated the use of "media queries" which automatically
toggle the visibility of a "menu bar" for larger screens or an optional
"drop-down" menu for smaller screens. How would Bootstrap be an improvement?
On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Aaron Bartell <aaronbartell@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:aaronbartell@xxxxxxxxx>>
wrote:
*>For those who advocate for Bootstrap, what does it really take to
make it adapt to multiple screen sizes?*
Check this out: http://getbootstrap.com/css/#grid-options
Aaron Bartell
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