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On 27 Aug 2015, at 18:53, Kelly Cookson <KCookson@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I found an interesting page in which Mike McNeil, the creator of Sails, says this:
"The way I see it, we're all in this together-- Sails is just focused at a different level of the stack. We look after the ORM (Waterline), WebSocket/session integration, and curate/normalize the basic middleware glue you need for most production work (i18n, csrf, etc). Jonathan, Doug, and the rest of the Express core team are doing an incredible job looking after critical performance and consistency issues across many different modules, esp. the Express router, cookie parser, body parser, etc."
http://www.quora.com/Should-one-learn-Express-js-or-Sails-js
Someone commented on the same page and reinforced what McNeil said:
"This is all a matter of what level of abstraction you want to work at. Sails.js actually depends on Express.js.
* Node.js ships with a very basic set of http libraries.
* Express.js wraps those http libraries and helps to enable things like routing, static serving, sessions, cookies, etc. But it really knows nothing about the DB.
* Sails.js wraps express and provides another higher level for doing things like connecting to the DB, auto-generating input pages, etc."
At the moment, I'm interested in things happening at the Express level of abstraction. I'm going to stick with Express for now. Assuming I can get it installed and working on our IBM i. ;-)
My sticking with Express for now reflects my particular learning path, nothing more. Our shop won't adopt node for production use without having a team look at what we need--including which JavaScript frameworks to adopt. I'm sure Sails will be on the list for consideration.
Thanks,
Kelly Cookson
IT Project Leader
Dot Foods, Inc.
1.217.773.4486 ext. 12676
kcookson@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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And, of course, Sails - which augments Express.js but also includes many other nice bells and whistles ;)
On 27 Aug 2015, at 18:09, Kelly Cookson <KCookson@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I decided that routing was my main concern with respect to JavaScript frameworks. If my shop is going to use node to develop and host a large number of web apps and RESTful HTTP services, then we need a structured way to manage all of those apps and services. I think routing capabilities within JavaScript frameworks could be one part of that structure.
Once I decided to focus on routing, I was able to do a few google searches and turn up many resources about routing using the Express.JS framework.
Thanks,
Kelly Cookson
IT Project Leader
Dot Foods, Inc.
1.217.773.4486 ext. 12676
kcookson@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Hi Kelly
Mainly because when I tried it I found it very easy to use - following various tutorials likes SailsCasts. As I also wanted to learn Angular and Bootstrap at the same time and the tutorials I was following included both. It also introduced me to other things like Express and Grunt, which I knew nothing about before (you have to try it to form an opinion - right?). It also uses a nice database solution (Waterline ORM) and has a default database that works straight out of the box (no extra config) which is great to get started/develop/test before switching to a more conventional database for production. Of course, Waterline does not yet support DB2 but the built in DB was good enough for my web socket server (websockets are also there out of the box - basically a Sails augmentation of socket.io). So now I have a decent node web socket server and I can talk to it from our Renaissance Framework by plugging in the sails.io.js client library.
I like it, but I haven't tried HapiJS so I cannot compare it.
Cheers
Kevin
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Kevin,
What led you to choose Sails.js?
Thanks,
Kelly Cookson
IT Project Leader
Dot Foods, Inc.
1.217.773.4486 ext. 12676
kcookson@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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I am using Sails.js on the IBMi (which uses Express) and I am also using the IBM toolkit with it. I have basically been using Sails as a websocket server (as a FOC alternative to Lightstreamer).
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Subject: [WEB400] Which JavaScript framework would you recommend for IBM i?
In exploring Node.JS on the IBM i, I will eventually want to learn about using a JavaScript framework for routing requests.
I know Express.JS is very popular. But I've also read pretty good things about Hapi.JS. I know there are other frameworks out there as well. I'm trying to figure out which framework to install on the IBM i.
Has anybody actually started using Express.JS, Hapi.JS, or a comparable framework on the IBM i?
I assume Express.JS, Hapi.JS, and comparable JavaScript frameworks would all be equally easy to use with the Node.JS toolkits that IBM has provided (that use XMLSERVICE). Is this assumption correct? I don't know what I don't know here.
Thanks,
Kelly Cookson
IT Project Leader
Dot Foods, Inc.
1.217.773.4486 ext. 12676
kcookson@xxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:kcookson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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