We run all kinds of programs via the command line or creating a Program 
entries in the NAB.
 It is easier to manage and schedule from the NAB, than in the notes.ini

I recommend running compact with the -B switch for file size reduction. 
Large databases that require additional maintnance
can have something more exotic like  load compact mail\cservice.nsf  -c -I 
-F -U 


Check the Admin Help Database for a full explanation of the 
switches...........


On Server
Run Program
Command Line
Schedule
Repeat


pupdate

12:01 AM-11:59 PM
60


Compact
 mail\custservice.nsf  -c -I -F -U 
03:00 AM



server
-c "< archiveuser6A.txt"
04:00 PM



server
-c "< archiveuser7A.txt"
04:30 PM



server
-c "< archiveuser5A.txt"
05:00 PM



server
-c "< archiveuser3A.txt"
05:30 PM



server
-c "< archiveuser4A.txt"
06:00 PM



server
-c "< archiveusersA.txt"
06:30 PM



Fixup

07:00 PM



server
-c "< archiveuser1A.txt"
07:00 PM



server
-c "< archiveuser2A.txt"
07:30 PM



Compact
mail -B
08:00 PM



Updall

09:00 PM



Compact
-B
09:00 PM



On Server
Run Program
Command Line
Schedule
Repeat


server
-c "tell http restart"
06:00 AM








Sean Murphy
IT Messaging/Domino Intranet
Bed Bath & Beyond
908.688.0888 ext 4496

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message: 1
date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:51:16 +0100
from: v.boiteux@xxxxxxxxxxx
subject: R?f. : Re: Auto-Compacting?


Or you could also run the command "Load Compact" on the server's console
....
But take care about the hour at which you run this command cause it will
consume ressources on your server...
So after users has leave their office seems to be a good time !



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Check in the Admin Help about setting up a "program document". You can run
fixup, updall, compact, or other tasks this way.

Chris Whisonant
Comporium
Senior Mid-Range Systems Administrator
IBM eServer Certified Systems Expert - iSeries Technical Solutions V5R2
IBM Certified Associate System Administrator - Lotus Notes and Domino 6
803.326.7270 | 803.326.6142 fax

domino400-bounces+chris.whisonant=comporium.com@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote on
12/15/2004 10:28:21 AM:

>
>
>
>
> Good morning,
>
> For starters, I'm not a big Notes expert although I've been using it for
> years and have set up an occasional agent to automate some tasks.
> Apparently our disk space has "jumped" about 10% over the last couple of
> weeks on our 112.7GB system.  This has caused our nightly backup to run
> longer and longer.  The culprit seems to be Notes which is pretty much
the
> only application running on this system.  It also doesn't seem to be
tied
> to any one user.
>
> I'm not sure if we have a job to regularly compact databases or not.  Is
> this a setting that I could check in Domino or would it be a command
issued
> by a scheduled job?  Any other ideas?  Thanks.
>
> Dave Parnin
> Nishikawa Standard Company
> Topeka, IN  46571
> daparnin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
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message: 2
date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:03:26 -0500
from: rob@xxxxxxxxx
subject: Re: Auto-Compacting?

Program documents are Domino's version of WRKJOBSCDE.  Not bad.  However 
running some of these commands when the server is up will mean that 
certain databases will be ignored.

Rob Berendt
-- 
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Dept 01.073
PO Box 2000
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Check in the Admin Help about setting up a "program document". You can run 


fixup, updall, compact, or other tasks this way.

Chris Whisonant
Comporium
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IBM eServer Certified Systems Expert - iSeries Technical Solutions V5R2
IBM Certified Associate System Administrator - Lotus Notes and Domino 6
803.326.7270 | 803.326.6142 fax

domino400-bounces+chris.whisonant=comporium.com@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 
12/15/2004 10:28:21 AM:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> Good morning,
> 
> For starters, I'm not a big Notes expert although I've been using it for
> years and have set up an occasional agent to automate some tasks.
> Apparently our disk space has "jumped" about 10% over the last couple of
> weeks on our 112.7GB system.  This has caused our nightly backup to run
> longer and longer.  The culprit seems to be Notes which is pretty much 
the
> only application running on this system.  It also doesn't seem to be 
tied
> to any one user.
> 
> I'm not sure if we have a job to regularly compact databases or not.  Is
> this a setting that I could check in Domino or would it be a command 
issued
> by a scheduled job?  Any other ideas?  Thanks.
> 
> Dave Parnin
> Nishikawa Standard Company
> Topeka, IN  46571
> daparnin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> 
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message: 3
date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:15:47 -0500
from: Chris Whisonant <Chris.Whisonant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: Re: Auto-Compacting?

True. Generally it should be relatively safe to run this on mail DBs which 

may be the culprit.

One other thing - I remember that one time my DASD was shooting up and I 
noticed that my HTTP log files were the culprit. The original poster may 
want to check for the DOMLOG.NSF file size as well as looking to see if he 

has the logging going to text files in a separate directory.

Chris Whisonant
Comporium
Senior Mid-Range Systems Administrator
IBM eServer Certified Systems Expert - iSeries Technical Solutions V5R2
IBM Certified Associate System Administrator - Lotus Notes and Domino 6
803.326.7270 | 803.326.6142 fax

domino400-bounces+chris.whisonant=comporium.com@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 
12/15/2004 11:03:26 AM:

> Program documents are Domino's version of WRKJOBSCDE.  Not bad.  However 


> running some of these commands when the server is up will mean that 
> certain databases will be ignored.
> 
> Rob Berendt
> -- 
> Group Dekko Services, LLC
> Dept 01.073
> PO Box 2000
> Dock 108
> 6928N 400E
> Kendallville, IN 46755
> http://www.dekko.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Chris Whisonant <Chris.Whisonant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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> 12/15/2004 10:34 AM
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> Subject
> Re: Auto-Compacting?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Check in the Admin Help about setting up a "program document". You can 
run 
> 
> fixup, updall, compact, or other tasks this way.
> 
> Chris Whisonant
> Comporium
> Senior Mid-Range Systems Administrator
> IBM eServer Certified Systems Expert - iSeries Technical Solutions V5R2
> IBM Certified Associate System Administrator - Lotus Notes and Domino 6
> 803.326.7270 | 803.326.6142 fax
> 
> domino400-bounces+chris.whisonant=comporium.com@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 
> 12/15/2004 10:28:21 AM:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Good morning,
> > 
> > For starters, I'm not a big Notes expert although I've been using it 
for
> > years and have set up an occasional agent to automate some tasks.
> > Apparently our disk space has "jumped" about 10% over the last couple 
of
> > weeks on our 112.7GB system.  This has caused our nightly backup to 
run
> > longer and longer.  The culprit seems to be Notes which is pretty much 


> the
> > only application running on this system.  It also doesn't seem to be 
> tied
> > to any one user.
> > 
> > I'm not sure if we have a job to regularly compact databases or not. 
Is
> > this a setting that I could check in Domino or would it be a command 
> issued
> > by a scheduled job?  Any other ideas?  Thanks.
> > 
> > Dave Parnin
> > Nishikawa Standard Company
> > Topeka, IN  46571
> > daparnin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > 
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message: 4
date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:48:58 -0500
from: rob@xxxxxxxxx
subject: Re: Auto-Compacting?

Ah yes.
One serious nasty on our system are files in the 
data/IBM_TECHNICAL_SUPPORT directory.
Cleaning out old nsd*.nsd files in the data directory.  But if you have 
lots of those you have other issues :-(
I also have numerous *.tmp to figure out what they're for.
Various lpt* files from Trend Micro's Scan Mail for Lotus Notes.  Which 
may be in different directories depending on which version of Trend you 
are running.

Rob Berendt
-- 
Group Dekko Services, LLC
Dept 01.073
PO Box 2000
Dock 108
6928N 400E
Kendallville, IN 46755
http://www.dekko.com





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True. Generally it should be relatively safe to run this on mail DBs which 


may be the culprit.

One other thing - I remember that one time my DASD was shooting up and I 
noticed that my HTTP log files were the culprit. The original poster may 
want to check for the DOMLOG.NSF file size as well as looking to see if he 


has the logging going to text files in a separate directory.

Chris Whisonant
Comporium
Senior Mid-Range Systems Administrator
IBM eServer Certified Systems Expert - iSeries Technical Solutions V5R2
IBM Certified Associate System Administrator - Lotus Notes and Domino 6
803.326.7270 | 803.326.6142 fax

domino400-bounces+chris.whisonant=comporium.com@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 
12/15/2004 11:03:26 AM:

> Program documents are Domino's version of WRKJOBSCDE.  Not bad.  However 



> running some of these commands when the server is up will mean that 
> certain databases will be ignored.
> 
> Rob Berendt
> -- 
> Group Dekko Services, LLC
> Dept 01.073
> PO Box 2000
> Dock 108
> 6928N 400E
> Kendallville, IN 46755
> http://www.dekko.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Chris Whisonant <Chris.Whisonant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
> Sent by: domino400-bounces+rob=dekko.com@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> 12/15/2004 10:34 AM
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> Re: Auto-Compacting?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Check in the Admin Help about setting up a "program document". You can 
run 
> 
> fixup, updall, compact, or other tasks this way.
> 
> Chris Whisonant
> Comporium
> Senior Mid-Range Systems Administrator
> IBM eServer Certified Systems Expert - iSeries Technical Solutions V5R2
> IBM Certified Associate System Administrator - Lotus Notes and Domino 6
> 803.326.7270 | 803.326.6142 fax
> 
> domino400-bounces+chris.whisonant=comporium.com@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 
> 12/15/2004 10:28:21 AM:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Good morning,
> > 
> > For starters, I'm not a big Notes expert although I've been using it 
for
> > years and have set up an occasional agent to automate some tasks.
> > Apparently our disk space has "jumped" about 10% over the last couple 
of
> > weeks on our 112.7GB system.  This has caused our nightly backup to 
run
> > longer and longer.  The culprit seems to be Notes which is pretty much 



> the
> > only application running on this system.  It also doesn't seem to be 
> tied
> > to any one user.
> > 
> > I'm not sure if we have a job to regularly compact databases or not. 
Is
> > this a setting that I could check in Domino or would it be a command 
> issued
> > by a scheduled job?  Any other ideas?  Thanks.
> > 
> > Dave Parnin
> > Nishikawa Standard Company
> > Topeka, IN  46571
> > daparnin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > 
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message: 5
date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:28:21 -0500
from: daparnin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
subject: Re: Auto-Compacting?





The size of DOMLOG.NSF is 3670016 bytes.  It's a drop in the pond,
relatively speaking.  There are 5655 entries that go back to January of
2002.

Dave Parnin
Nishikawa Standard Company
Topeka, IN  46571
daparnin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx




  
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True. Generally it should be relatively safe to run this on mail DBs which
may be the culprit.

One other thing - I remember that one time my DASD was shooting up and I
noticed that my HTTP log files were the culprit. The original poster may
want to check for the DOMLOG.NSF file size as well as looking to see if he
has the logging going to text files in a separate directory.

Chris Whisonant
Comporium
Senior Mid-Range Systems Administrator
IBM eServer Certified Systems Expert - iSeries Technical Solutions V5R2
IBM Certified Associate System Administrator - Lotus Notes and Domino 6
803.326.7270 | 803.326.6142 fax

domino400-bounces+chris.whisonant=comporium.com@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote on
12/15/2004 11:03:26 AM:

> Program documents are Domino's version of WRKJOBSCDE.  Not bad.  However

> running some of these commands when the server is up will mean that
> certain databases will be ignored.
>
> Rob Berendt
> --
> Group Dekko Services, LLC
> Dept 01.073
> PO Box 2000
> Dock 108
> 6928N 400E
> Kendallville, IN 46755
> http://www.dekko.com
>
>
>
>
>
> Chris Whisonant <Chris.Whisonant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> Check in the Admin Help about setting up a "program document". You can
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>
> fixup, updall, compact, or other tasks this way.
>
> Chris Whisonant
> Comporium
> Senior Mid-Range Systems Administrator
> IBM eServer Certified Systems Expert - iSeries Technical Solutions V5R2
> IBM Certified Associate System Administrator - Lotus Notes and Domino 6
> 803.326.7270 | 803.326.6142 fax
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> domino400-bounces+chris.whisonant=comporium.com@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote on
> 12/15/2004 10:28:21 AM:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Good morning,
> >
> > For starters, I'm not a big Notes expert although I've been using it
for
> > years and have set up an occasional agent to automate some tasks.
> > Apparently our disk space has "jumped" about 10% over the last couple
of
> > weeks on our 112.7GB system.  This has caused our nightly backup to
run
> > longer and longer.  The culprit seems to be Notes which is pretty much

> the
> > only application running on this system.  It also doesn't seem to be
> tied
> > to any one user.
> >
> > I'm not sure if we have a job to regularly compact databases or not.
Is
> > this a setting that I could check in Domino or would it be a command
> issued
> > by a scheduled job?  Any other ideas?  Thanks.
> >
> > Dave Parnin
> > Nishikawa Standard Company
> > Topeka, IN  46571
> > daparnin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
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