RE: NICs - bottleneck (was Re: Dropping the AS/400 as a Web servi ng platform)

[Glenn Ericson <Glenn-Ericson@xxxxxxx>]

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I  appreciate your cost comments on the 100GB drives, but  what are  you
suggesting for  disk arms to meet  multi user performance, for
RAID-5  protection etc.?

At 09:12 AM 10/03/2001 -0500, Wills, Mike N. (TC) wrote:
>Not necessarily. If I were building a high-availability server, I would
>probably get a NIC from a company that is known for their quality of their
>network cards, like 3com or Intel. I am not saying a $30 Linksys or $15
>bargain bin card couldn't be as reliable, what I am saying is, their
>reputation says that they have high quality products, thus the chances of
>needing to replace it is slimmer.
>
>Still, with the price of computer hardware these days, there isn't much of
>an excuse to sell hardware at astronomical prices (a 100GB IDE ATA66 hard
>drive sells for $300 USD at Best Buy, how much for that much disk space in a
>AS400?). For the price of an AS400, a cluster of Linux servers could be
>built that would be just as reliable, and possibly even faster in processing
>power, more disk space, and just as secure. Granted, it would take up much
>more space and need more cooling.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Brad Stone [mailto:brad@bvstools.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 9:04 AM
>To: midrange-l@midrange.com
>Subject: Re: NICs - bottleneck (was Re: Dropping the AS/400 as a Web
>servi ng platform)
>
>
>Mike, what's the difference is between a $15-$30 NIC and a
>$1800 NIC?
>
>Pick out two nics, price them, then tell me what makes one
>more expensive than the other.  What makes one "bargain
>basement" and the other "high quality"?  Is this mostly
>perceived because of the price?  Is it
>tariffs/shipping/manufacturing costs/etc?  Or is it actual
>quality.
>
>Do the terms "high quality" and "expensive" automatically go
>together?  Sure, to a point (and to a certain point of
>view).  But we're way past that point.  Memory is less
>expensive now, by over 200% from a few months ago?  Is it
>any less high quality?
>
>Brad
>
>On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 08:15:43 -0500
>  "Wills, Mike N. (TC)" <MNWills@taylorcorp.com> wrote:
> > If you were truly building a web server that needs to be
> > up 24/7/356, you
> > would buy the high quality expensive parts, not bargain
> > bin generic parts. I
> > agree that a simple server can be built cheap, but that
> > isn't necessarily a
> > reliable server.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brad Stone [mailto:brad@bvstools.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 9:23 PM
> > To: midrange-l@midrange.com
> > Subject: Re: NICs - bottleneck (was Re: Dropping the
> > AS/400 as a Web
> > servi ng platform)
> >
> >
> > Chris, you're missing the point.
> >
> > I don't know how many nics you can put in any iSeries.
> > The
> > point is how much do those NICs cost.  I can get a 10/100
> > for a PC for $15.  And build a PC for 300.
> >
> > If I could buy parts for my iseries at best buy, then it
> > wouldn't be a big deal.  A server maching like an iSeries
> > should be able to accept multiple (5 or more) nics.  A
> > base
> > 270 should be able to have at least 5.  If not, it's not
> > a
> > server.  It has to be able to handle the bandwidth.
> >
> > I'd love to hear the lowdown, if anyone knows, how many
> > NICs
> > you can install in most used boxes, and the price of
> > each.
> >
> > Brad
> >
> > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001 11:41:35 -0700
> >  Chris Bipes <chris.bipes@cross-check.com> wrote:
> > > But I can put in multiple NICs into one AS400.  My 720
> > > came with 2 10/100
> > > and we use a Virtual IP and load balancing.  How many
> > > NICs can you put in a
> > > 850 24way AS400?
> > >
> > > Christopher K. Bipes          mailto:ChrisB@Cross-Check.com
> > > Operations & Network Mgr  mailto:Chris_Bipes@Yahoo.com
> > > CrossCheck, Inc.              http://www.cross-check.com
> > > 6119 State Farm Drive         Phone: 707 586-0551 x 1102
> > > Rohnert Park CA  94928        Fax: 707 586-1884
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Brad Stone [mailto:brad@bvstools.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 11:38 AM
> > > To: midrange-l@midrange.com
> > > Subject: Re: NICs - bottleneck (was Re: Dropping the
> > > AS/400 as a Web
> > > servi ng platform)
> > >
> > >
> > > Even so, it's still only equal to 10 10/100 nics, which
> > > is
> > > not that much, depending on the size of the farm you're
> > > comparing it too.
> > >
> > > Brad
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Regards,


Glenn
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