RE: Follow-up to "Simple HTML problem" -- WEB400

Joe I agree with you kinda but not really.  My company deals with B2B and
B2C and they are actually the same thing(in my case). The "businesses" we
deal with ask for the same ridiculous stuff as the customers we deal with.
These two words (B2B and B2C) have their place but for the most part you
never hear tech people talking about them unless they really aren't tech
people.  We as tech people obviously have a different perspective on
everything because we read zines that have code in them and not the latest
and greatest technology buzzwords.

Go ahead and ask you manager if they have a solid understanding of XML, not
how to code it but a solid understanding.  We have managers in my company
that think it is the _only_ venue we should pursue for all of our data
manipulation.  XML has its place but in the case of this manager he had been
reading too much of the wrong zine.

Aaron Bartell  

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Teff [mailto:JoeTeff@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 5:32 PM
To: WEB400@midrange.com
Subject: RE: Follow-up to "Simple HTML problem"


They are most definately not the same thing. I've worked in both worlds and
they are as different as day and night. In my B2B experience, people are at
work doing thier job (i.e. ordering with a PO and large quantites). In B2C,
they are at home (at least they are supposed to be) ordering personal
products from a catalog. I know these are overly simple definitions. At
work, the purchasing agent is using a common laptop and most likely MSIE or
Netscape. At home he's using what ever the high school kid at Best Buy
talked him in to. If you think B2B and B2C are the same, then I say you've
only worked in one of those worlds.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-web400@midrange.com [mailto:owner-web400@midrange.com]On
Behalf Of Stone, Brad V (TC)
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 4:20 PM
To: 'WEB400@midrange.com'
Subject: RE: Follow-up to "Simple HTML problem"


It's not an arguement.  It's an opinion.

Second, B2C and B2B are the same thing.  Depending on your point of view.
Just buzzwords made up to make non-techs feel cool saying.  <bg>  I hate
them.  "Virtual Cohesion" is the latest one that I have hanging in my cube.

Brad

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Teff [mailto:JoeTeff@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 3:26 PM
> To: WEB400@midrange.com
> Subject: RE: Follow-up to "Simple HTML problem"
>
>
> I beleive this to be a flawed argument as one side is B2B and
> the other is
> B2C. Supporting all possibilities in B2B is not practical.
> However, not
> supporting all possibilities in B2C is also not practical.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-web400@midrange.com [mailto:owner-web400@midrange.com]On
> Behalf Of Stone, Brad V (TC)
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 3:03 PM
> To: 'WEB400@midrange.com'
> Subject: RE: Follow-up to "Simple HTML problem"
>
>
> I think my point was that WebTV and others seem to make up their own
> versions of HTML.  M$ does it, yes, but at least they use the
> standards and
> add, not just not making standards.
>
> If I'm a web developer and I'm required to sell to everyone with every
> browser, my product is going to cost 50 times more because of
> the extra
> work.  Instead, I choose to stick with Ie and NS (and
> anything else that
> uses more than 15% of the hits).
>
> WebTV...  no offense, but it wasn't meant for e-biz.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bartell, Aaron L. (TC) [mailto:ALBartell@taylorcorp.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 2:24 PM
> > To: 'WEB400@midrange.com'
> > Subject: RE: Follow-up to "Simple HTML problem"
> >
> >
> > Yeah but I think there is a point where you have to cut it
> > off and say "Hey
> > upgrade your browser/operating system" especially since the
> > browser upgrade
> > is free.  If your company has the time to program for each
> > browser/platform-version great, but most don't or don't want
> > to bother.
> >
> > Aaron Bartell
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jim Franz [mailto:franz400@triad.rr.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 2:03 PM
> > To: WEB400@midrange.com
> > Subject: Re: Follow-up to "Simple HTML problem"
> >
> >
> > if they are a customer- i don't care. it's one thing to sell
> > to a small community of techs, and another to sell to the
> > world. millions of
> > web tv & win 3.1 & macs & whatever. for me to write a site
> > that say's "only viewable with ... or above is suicide. yeah -
> >  i can't put the latest, greatest on the page, but who is the
> > customer here? Check out http://www.useit.com/
> > for tips on creating sites easy to use by the masses.
> > jim
> >
> >
> > > Pffft... if someone is using WebTV I don't want their
> business.  ;)
> > >
> > > Brad
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Andrew Borts [mailto:andrewb@setacorporation.com]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 12:47 PM
> > > > To: 'WEB400@midrange.com'
> > > > Subject: RE: Follow-up to "Simple HTML problem"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > OK - Everyone is a little weirded out by this little
> > > > inconsistency with
> > > > HTML...
> > > >
> > > > How about this one.
> > > > <option>FL</option> is MORE compatible with all the browsers
> > > > then <option
> > > > value=FL>FL</option>
> > > >
> > > > The above is a little limiting when you want to return
> > > > something different,
> > > > then what was selected... BUT works in ALL the browsers
> > > > including WEB TV...
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jon.Paris@hal.it [SMTP:Jon.Paris@hal.it]
> > > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 6:27 PM
> > > > To: WEB400@midrange.com
> > > > Subject: Re: Follow-up to "Simple HTML problem"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  >> Have you tried using <PRE> at the beginning of your table
> > > > and </PRE> at
> > > > the very end of your table?
> > > >
> > > > Yes - it doesn't work.  The first </TR> terminates the effect
> > > > of the <PRE>
> > > > no matter where you put it.
> > > >
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