RE: 520 pricing structure -- WEB400

Half of those are needs based on existing knowledge sets so I wouldn't count
them as valid arguments (i.e. PASE, RPG, COBOL). Personally if I was writing
a new application (with a GUI front end) I wouldn't write it in RPG or
COBOL.

Query support - do you mean Query/400?  I use MySQL and there is a slew of
utilities out there to query not only MySQL but also DB2.

>Who do you call if there's a bug in JSF?  In your database?  In MyEclipse?
What is the turnaround time?
You can still buy support contracts from third parties, again, it is knowing
how to work the open source community. I know forums might seem like the
wrong support contract to have, but I can get answers to my questions faster
on forums than going to the vendor usually.  There are many ego's out there
that love to share information, including my ego ;-)


>What happens when JSF's creator dumps it, just like he dumped Struts?
I am not trying to pee perfume and call it something that it is not, but I
would say that JSF is the next step that Struts would have taken, but it was
just easier to give it a new name and sell it that way.

I would compare it to a person going from RPGIII to RPGIV ILE. Some features
were lost, some features were gained, and RPG ILE IV doesn't look at all
like RPGIII but it allows you to get to an endpoint of producing business
apps in RPG.

I still think an iSeries is the most stable box out there (remember I was
playing devils advocate), but I can see why people don't consider it an
option when they are out shopping.

Aaron Bartell

-----Original Message-----
From: web400-bounces+albartell=gmail.com@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:web400-bounces+albartell=gmail.com@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joe
Pluta
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:29 AM
To: 'Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries'
Subject: RE: [WEB400] 520 pricing structure

Apples and oranges.

I can backup my iSeries while it's running.  I can run PASE applications.  I
can do development in RPG, COBOL, Java, C, C++, all while the system is up
and running.  I have query support, including all the tools.

Who do you call if there's a bug in JSF?  In your database?  In MyEclipse?
What is the turnaround time?

What happens when JSF's creator dumps it, just like he dumped Struts?  I
predicted long ago that Struts was dead, and I was right.  That's the
biggest problem with Open Source: it's often just about the latest cool fad.

Yeah, if you're willing to run your enterprise under those conditions, then
go for it.  It's a business decision.

Joe


> From: albartell
> 
> Interesting numbers!
> 
> Let me share the other side of the coin to play devils advocate :-)
> 
> One of my JSF apps I just released is running on a Dell rackmount Dual 
> 2Ghz, 2GB RAM, 15K RPM HD, Dual Power supply, with Dell guaranteed 4 
> hours turnaround support for about $5000.  So if I can get a Dell for 
> 1/2
the
> price of the lowest iSeries and "get the same support", and use a 
> development environment like MyEclipseIDE ($30/yr), why would someone
go
> with an iSeries? (Playing devils advocate)
> 
> It seems that if an IT shop knows how to play their open source cards,
and
> aren't afraid of "not having support because it is open source", they
can
> successfully run an enterprise with "open source" technologies.
> 
> The funny thing is that IBM keeps pushing technologies (Java, Apache,
etc)
> that allow people to run their apps on anything including iSeries.
Many of
> the people making the decision to go or not go with iSeries have no
idea
> why
> they chose the direction other than initial money saved.
> 
> Aaron Bartell

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