Re: Data validation, mapping, and error handling

["Maurice O'Prey" <maurice.oprey@xxxxxxxxx>]

Peter

I doubt he has, he is just being polite in Joe Speak ;-)


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From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Peter Dow (ML)
Sent: 10 June 2008 19:09
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: [WEB400] Data validation, mapping, and error handling

Hi Joe,

You wrote "I really wish you'd use some terms that were a little more
professional 
in nature.  But hey, when in Rome..."


There's something to be said for setting a good example, rather than 
perpetuating the problem with expressions like "...features that kick 
the living crap out of.."   Surely you have a more professional way of 
stating that opinion.

*Peter Dow* /
Dow Software Services, Inc.
909 793-9050
pdow@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:pdow@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> /

Joe Pluta wrote:
> Aaron Bartell wrote:
>   
> > I am not trying to poke fun at EGL, but I have been using JSF for about
four
> > years and have been through many mud puddles with it.  That is why I have
> > been so skeptical of the ease-of-use statements being made about EGL.
> >     
> The ease-of-use statements have until now had nothing to do with JSF 
> validation.  Frankly I could do the entire development cycle without 
> using JSF validation.  Yes, it will be nice if some of those features 
> can be used, but as I've said all along, the real validation has to be 
> done on the host, anyway.
>
> But as far as painting the screen, binding data from the HLL to the 
> page, using metadata for transformations to XML and JSON, creating Rich 
> UI applications - your skepticism has shown no basis in fact.
>
>   
> > I am
> > waiting until somebody actually develops a medium sized application
(let's
> > say 100+ JSF pages) to see if EGL addressed some of those "bummers"
> >     
> I really wish you'd use some terms that were a little more professional 
> in nature.  But hey, when in Rome...
>
>   
> >  and to
> > see if that person developing a medium app still uses the same
> > out-of-the-box features at that point or strayed away from them because
they
> > could save more time by "spinning their own wool" for certain portions
> > (which is what I have done).
> >   
> >     
> Again, all of the features I've shown prior to today are "out of the 
> box" features that kick the living crap out of even Nathan's frameworks, 
> much less vanilla RPG-CGI.  Today was just another set of features that 
> EGL/JSF does very well.  Can you show us your version of the programs we 
> did today so that we can look for "bummers" in your code?
>
> Joe
>