Re: EGL, Java and PHP

[Aaron Bartell <aaronbartell@xxxxxxxxx>]

In a manner of speaking, yes, REST is an alternative to SOAP.  Though you
will find multiple definitions/interpretations for REST just like you will
with SOAP.  Depending on how you implement them, REST is MUCH easier than
SOAP (though that is my opinion from doing a fair amount of both from an RPG
programmers perspective).

Aaron Bartell
http://mowyourlawn.com
http://mowyourlawn.com/blog/


On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Kelly Cookson <KCookson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

> I've never worked with Web services and I'm curious...is REST is an
> alternative to SOAP?
>
> Kelly
>
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> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 3:36 PM
> To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
> Subject: Re: [WEB400] EGL, Java and PHP
>
> > I still believe the WSDL-contract is A Really Good thing even if
> everything
> else is a mess.
>
> Agreed.  The concept of full technical documentation of a web service is a
> good thing.  Now if we could just get rid of SOAP :-)
>
> Aaron Bartell
> http://mowyourlawn.com
> http://mowyourlawn.com/blog/
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Thorbjoern Ravn Andersen
> <ravn@xxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
> > Aaron Bartell skrev:
> > > > How much work would it be for example to create a scalable, standards
> > > compliant web service which serves images, pdfs and excel sheets
> > dynamically
> > > from contents in a database table?
> > >
> > > Depends on who is on the other end of the web service.  If it is .NET
> > then
> > > any given upgrade it stands the potential to break.  Microsoft is STILL
> > > adopting web service standards before the rest of the world agrees on
> > them
> > > which causes issues for even Java programs wanting to make standardized
> > > communication with them.
> > Can we agree that a proper implementation of web services is a
> > non-trivial matter? :)
> >
> > I'd be perfectly happy with saying a web site if that is better :D
> >
> > > Whether something is "standard" is quite a relative term I have found.
> >  Is
> > > it standard according to the WS-* profiles?, standard according to the
> > W3C?,
> > > standard according to a JCP/JSR?, standard according to Microsoft?  Web
> > > services are soooooo over architected it is painful to watch them
> > > (Microsoft) "progress to make things easier".  Did you catch that Sun
> has
> > > semi-formally made a move away from SOAP for many web services?
> > > http://www.sdtimes.com/link/32959
> >
> > I am aware of the REST concept as being something where you separate the
> > data from the action (which is part of the URL instead) as opposed to
> > SOAP where you basically do remote procedure calls according to the
> > WSDL-contract.  But having
> >
> > I still believe the WSDL-contract is A Really Good thing even if
> > everything else is a mess.
> >
> > All this is still somebody trying to get Remote Procedure Calls right.
> > Eventually it will happen :)
> >
> > --
> >  Thorbjørn Ravn Andersen  "...plus... Tubular Bells!"
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