Re: Would you take a complimentary course on HTML from acompany whose website looked like this?

[Kelly Cookson <KCookson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I've created some web pages that look decent...but I did it by surfing the web until I found a page design that I liked/wanted and tried to mimic it best I could. 

With enough training and the right tools, I think most RPG/COBOL developers could make respectable web pages. The questions to me are: How much training? What kinds of training? What kinds of tools? Will your RPG/COBOL developers even want to be retrained as web developers? When does it become more practical to hire web developers than to retrain RPG/COBOL developers? 

Plus, professional web developers work full-time learning the art of making great web pages. RPG/COBOL programmers won't have the same amount of time to devote to learning the art of creating web pages. That may always be a handicap when it comes to developing award-winning designs.

Kelly Cookson
Senior Programmer/Analyst
Dot Foods, Inc.
217-773-4486 x12676
www.dotfoods.com


-----Original Message-----
From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Pavlak
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 7:52 AM
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: [WEB400] Would you take a complimentary course on HTML from acompany whose website looked like this?

Michael,

Thank you for your honesty!  It is refreshing in many cases.  If you'll
permit me to peel back one more layer of the onion let me ask you one
question.  Do you (or anyone else on this thread) believe your
limitations regarding "the whole visual thing" is a choice or a
handicap?  

I will offer my own personal experience once I have seen a few responses
as I would rather not taint the well of free thought.  I do believe
education is paramount to staying current whether it is free or for
charge.  And by that I mean the act of learning and not just sitting
through a webinar because the boss told you to.  In today's
technological society, if you are not moving forward you are standing
still.  And if everyone else is moving forward around you that means you
will probably get run over.  It may be an overused saying but it sure
feels like what's going on out there!

Regards,

Mike

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-----Original Message-----
From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Michael Ryan
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 7:31 AM
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: [WEB400] Would you take a complimentary course on HTML from
acompany whose website looked like this?

I think that's a great point Kelly. I think I'm among a lot of iSeries
folks
that think in terms of lists. That's our background. And I know when
I've
designed web sites, it looks like a list of 'things' cause that's the
way I
think. I can produce some really nice ETL code for loading to web sites,
and
I can write some really good code to process orders from web sites, but
the
whole visual thing isn't me.

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Kelly Cookson
<KCookson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

> For all we know the source behind gotomeeting page was auto-generated
code
> (or at least partially auto-generated). The source behind BCD's home
page is
> better. At any rate, like Mike said earlier, the only way to fairly
judge
> the quality of the webinar is to attend it.
>
> I also agree with Vern: the excellent tutorials at www.w3schools.com
are
> probably just as good or better than the webinar in terms of the
information
> provided. Yet, some people are auditory learners and want to hear the
> information from a live teacher. They will also have the benefit of
being
> able to ask questions.
>
> I think these posts do raise an interesting question of how
RPG/COBOL/CL
> programmers should be retrained in IBM i modernization. Do we really
expect
> people who are great at developing RPG and COBOL programs to be great
at
> designing web pages as well?
>
> Kelly Cookson
> Senior Programmer/Analyst
> Dot Foods, Inc.
> 217-773-4486 x12676
> www.dotfoods.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
> Behalf Of Dean, Robert
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 6:47 AM
> To: web400@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [WEB400] Would you take a complimentary course on HTML
from a
> company whose website looked like this?
>
> The ugly part isn't necessarily how the page looks, it's the HTML
behind
> that page.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
> Behalf Of Tom Deskevich
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 7:39 AM
> To: web400@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [WEB400] Would you take a complimentary course on HTML from a
> company whose website looked like this?
>
> Shoot me, but I don't think it looks that bad. I guess I have spent
too
> many
> years with 5250.
> I guess we don't' care if it works or flows well, or how long it takes
to
> bring the page up, just how pretty it is.
> That is the difference is taking wares to the market now I guess. It
HAS to
> look good first.
>
> Tom Deskevich
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>
>
>
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