Great response Kelly! So on the other hand, your RPG programmers
probably have a TON of business knowledge locked up in their heads. Do
the web developers really want to learn the difference between a
Requisition, a Purchase Order and a Payable? Each person should be
considered individually and an education plan designed around their
needs. BUT, that takes effort and energy for both the resource and
manager. Sometimes it may be easier to hire a web developer and
sometimes it is appropriate. Obviously, your mileage may vary!
I like Aaron's point regarding templating as it appears to be the best
of both worlds. But in my experience I have run into some web
programmers who want to learn enterprise and business development. I
caution anyone who paints with a broad brush when the canvas is as
intricate as the future of our field!
Regards,
Mike
mike.p@xxxxxxxx Cell: (408)679-1011 Office: (815)722-3454
Zend Server for IBM i Beta avilable at
http://www.zend.com/en/products/server/zend-server-5-new-ibmi
-----Original Message-----
From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Kelly Cookson
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:37 AM
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: [WEB400] Would you take a complimentary course on HTMLfrom
acompany whose website looked like this?
I've created some web pages that look decent...but I did it by surfing
the web until I found a page design that I liked/wanted and tried to
mimic it best I could.
With enough training and the right tools, I think most RPG/COBOL
developers could make respectable web pages. The questions to me are:
How much training? What kinds of training? What kinds of tools? Will
your RPG/COBOL developers even want to be retrained as web developers?
When does it become more practical to hire web developers than to
retrain RPG/COBOL developers?
Plus, professional web developers work full-time learning the art of
making great web pages. RPG/COBOL programmers won't have the same amount
of time to devote to learning the art of creating web pages. That may
always be a handicap when it comes to developing award-winning designs.
Kelly Cookson
Senior Programmer/Analyst
Dot Foods, Inc.
217-773-4486 x12676
www.dotfoods.com
-----Original Message-----
From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Mike Pavlak
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 7:52 AM
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: [WEB400] Would you take a complimentary course on HTML from
acompany whose website looked like this?
Michael,
Thank you for your honesty! It is refreshing in many cases. If you'll
permit me to peel back one more layer of the onion let me ask you one
question. Do you (or anyone else on this thread) believe your
limitations regarding "the whole visual thing" is a choice or a
handicap?
I will offer my own personal experience once I have seen a few responses
as I would rather not taint the well of free thought. I do believe
education is paramount to staying current whether it is free or for
charge. And by that I mean the act of learning and not just sitting
through a webinar because the boss told you to. In today's
technological society, if you are not moving forward you are standing
still. And if everyone else is moving forward around you that means you
will probably get run over. It may be an overused saying but it sure
feels like what's going on out there!
Regards,
Mike
mike.p@xxxxxxxx Cell: (408)679-1011 Office: (815)722-3454
Zend Server for IBM i Beta avilable at
http://www.zend.com/en/products/server/zend-server-5-new-ibmi
-----Original Message-----
From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Michael Ryan
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 7:31 AM
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: [WEB400] Would you take a complimentary course on HTML from
acompany whose website looked like this?
I think that's a great point Kelly. I think I'm among a lot of iSeries
folks
that think in terms of lists. That's our background. And I know when
I've
designed web sites, it looks like a list of 'things' cause that's the
way I
think. I can produce some really nice ETL code for loading to web sites,
and
I can write some really good code to process orders from web sites, but
the
whole visual thing isn't me.
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Kelly Cookson
<KCookson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
For all we know the source behind gotomeeting page was auto-generated
code
(or at least partially auto-generated). The source behind BCD's home
page is
better. At any rate, like Mike said earlier, the only way to fairly
judge
the quality of the webinar is to attend it.
I also agree with Vern: the excellent tutorials at www.w3schools.com
are
probably just as good or better than the webinar in terms of the
information
provided. Yet, some people are auditory learners and want to hear the
information from a live teacher. They will also have the benefit of
being
able to ask questions.
I think these posts do raise an interesting question of how
RPG/COBOL/CL
programmers should be retrained in IBM i modernization. Do we really
expect
people who are great at developing RPG and COBOL programs to be great
at
designing web pages as well?
Kelly Cookson
Senior Programmer/Analyst
Dot Foods, Inc.
217-773-4486 x12676
www.dotfoods.com
-----Original Message-----
From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
Behalf Of Dean, Robert
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 6:47 AM
To: web400@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [WEB400] Would you take a complimentary course on HTML
from a
company whose website looked like this?
The ugly part isn't necessarily how the page looks, it's the HTML
behind
that page.
-----Original Message-----
From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
Behalf Of Tom Deskevich
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 7:39 AM
To: web400@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [WEB400] Would you take a complimentary course on HTML from a
company whose website looked like this?
Shoot me, but I don't think it looks that bad. I guess I have spent
too
many
years with 5250.
I guess we don't' care if it works or flows well, or how long it takes
to
bring the page up, just how pretty it is.
That is the difference is taking wares to the market now I guess. It
HAS to
look good first.
Tom Deskevich
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